The Death of Westernism

[Sir Rhetor]

Exactly, these corrupt unions will ultimately be the death of this country.

Sparked a thought of mine. If something were to take down Westernism, what would it be? Half a century ago it was almost certainly communist states, which the US and others set themselves in opposition to. Now, communism is just a memory for the most part. On a similar, but maybe unrelated note, what today is the single biggest threat to Westernism?

[Wyvern]

I tried to debate you on your claims about these individuals last time you brought them up and instead of defending your claims you abandoned the thread entirely.

I am unaware of this thread.......

It was in the bible and wealth distribution thread. Since we are on the subject though it is obvious you copy and pasted it from somewhere and unless you want to be guilty of plagiarism it is your duty to give credit for where you got it from.

For the record Mr. Sustein is the head of a regulatory agency and is in no position to make policy,

I realize that, I also realize that those serving in the executive branch of government are in no position to make or create any type of law or policy.

The legislative branch creates law but the executive branch sets policy and again this person is the head of a regulatory agency and can not in any way make policy especially considering the issues which you are raising are not even within the bounds of his agency in the first place.

hunting will not be banned because that might impinge on second amendment rights not to mention it is needed for population control of certain species in which we have eliminated the predator species and of course last but not least any time someone is brought to trial for animal cruelty those animals are being represented by lawyers.

Mr. Sustein does not agree with you. The fact is, Obama told us to judge him by those he surrounds himself with. Obama appointed a person with fringe views on guns rights and huntin into his white house, so, I obviously assume Obama shares his same views........Now, while Sustein may not be able to make a law banning huntin, it is VERY troubling to have a person with these fringe views advising our president and working in a high level office. While only Congress can make laws, the white house can choose not to enforce the laws, as they have done with illegal immigration.

It does not matter whether he agrees with me or not. It also does not matter what views he holds outside of the purview of his agency. It doesn't even matter if Obama holds the same views, which other than your assumptions there is no indication this is true. This person does not hold a cabinet position he is not a direct presidential advisor, again he is the head of a regulatory agency and is in no way a policy advisor. I feel I need to emphasize this even more than I already have, Sustein is in no position to ban hunting, neither is Obama or even all of congress their views on the subject are meaningless because they are in no position to change the constitution. The white house also has no say in how immigration laws are handled. Congress not only makes the laws they also control the nations pursestrings. The INS and border patrol enforce immigration law to the extent that their budgets allow, WHICH IS ENTIRELY DETERMINED BY CONGRESS not the executive branch as you obviously want to lay the blame on.

[TheLibertarian]

Hey, winepusher: you are aware, are you not, that not everyone who opposes the State of Israel's existence is a Muslim or a liberal? I find Israel abhorrent, the welfare queen of the nations, and yet it's painfully obvious I'm more conservative than you are.

[WinePusher]

Hey, winepusher: you are aware, are you not, that not everyone who opposes the State of Israel's existence is a Muslim or a liberal?

As you are a new member to this forum, you may want to review the rules and notice the one that says you have to support assertions with evidence. This is a case when you have failed to do so. But yes, I am aware that those who oppose Israel are not just Muslim and Liberal, I never claimed otherwise, so you just attacked a straw man.

I find Israel abhorrent, the welfare queen of the nations,

Of course you do. Many share your position, such as the Iranian Dictator.

and yet it's painfully obvious I'm more conservative than you are.

By whose standard?

[TheLibertarian]

As you are a new member to this forum, you may want to review the rules and notice the one that says you have to support assertions with evidence.

What "assertion"? You're the one making assertions.

Of course you do. Many share your position, such as the Iranian Dictator.

And Ron Paul. Is Ron Paul an eeeeeeeebbbbbbilllll socialist-Muzzo-crypto-Commie terrorist?

By whose standard?

By the standards of anyone born before 1980. Unlike you, I actually mean what I say about small government.

[WinePusher]

As you are a new member to this forum, you may want to review the rules and notice the one that says you have to support assertions with evidence.

What "assertion"? You're the one making assertions.

What assertion have I made. QUOTE ME. Your assertion is that not only muslims and liebral think Israel is "the queen of welfare" and should not exist. You have yet to give sources. When one cannot substantiate their claims, there is an expectation that the claim will be retracted.

And Ron Paul. Is Ron Paul an eeeeeeeebbbbbbilllll socialist-Muzzo-crypto-Commie terrorist?

Ron Paul thinks Israel is the "queen of welfare states" and should not exist? Document This.

By the standards of anyone born before 1980. Unlike you, I actually mean what I say about small government.

You Don't Know Me. Don't assume you know my opinions and beliefs. Give some quotes and evidence that support your claim that I "don't mean what I say about small government." Please read the forum rules closely.

[ChaosBorders]

What assertion have I made. QUOTE ME. Your assertion is that not only muslims and liebral think Israel is "the queen of welfare" and should not exist. You have yet to give sources. When one cannot substantiate their claims, there is an expectation that the claim will be retracted.

I'm fine with Israel existing as a nation (though I think placing them in Nevada or some less used part of the U.S. would have prevented a lot of conflict that has occurred...) but I do think they are more than capable of supporting themselves and do not need our continued assistance.

[WinePusher]

I'm fine with Israel existing as a nation (though I think placing them in Nevada or some less used part of the U.S. would have prevented a lot of conflict that has occurred...)

Well, I think it is kind of practical and wise to place Israel in an area dominated by Sharia law and Islamic Theocracies to provide an alternative place of living for the inhabitants of that region. BTW, Nevada isn't a "less part used of the U.S". It's home to Vegas, the best city in the world .

[ChaosBorders]

I'm fine with Israel existing as a nation (though I think placing them in Nevada or some less used part of the U.S. would have prevented a lot of conflict that has occurred...)

Well, I think it is kind of practical and wise to place Israel in an area dominated by Sharia law and Islamic Theocracies to provide an alternative place of living for the inhabitants of that region.

How many immigrants escaping said Islamic Theocracies does Israel accept in annually?

BTW, Nevada isn't a "less part used of the U.S". It's home to Vegas, the best city in the world .

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure a larger portion of the state than Israel is by far is owned by the U.S. government. Not a lot of people living on it. Plenty of room.