Do any christians question God's decision in this election?

[ithinkthereforeiam]

Since everything is God's will, do any christians question God's decision to elect Barack Obama as our next president?

[justifyothers]

Man's will is being done on earth, and men and women elected Obama. God had no vote.

You guys are trying to lead me astray. Good thing I read my Bible...

During the night the mystery was revealed to Daniel in a vision. Then Daniel praised the God of heaven and said:
"Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever;
wisdom and power are his.
He changes times and seasons;
he sets up kings and deposes them.
He gives wisdom to the wise
and knowledge to the discerning."

Though this may have seemed true to the author, I'm not so sure that God deliberately set every king in his throne. This was more of a poetic verse recognizing God and His accomplishments.

'The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men.'

Same here. Or possibly, God did set some kings in place...but this had nothing to do with men choosing their own leaders.

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

Enters Paul.........what can I say??

Good question. Will God stop others from doing their own will if we ask that his will be done here on earth?

Ha! Excellent question coming from my friend "in the choice is determined" club! I can only answer.....possibly. But, really, what I think has happened with me, personally, is that my will has become closer to being the same as God's will - so there isn't as much descrepancy as you might think

[LittlePig]

Though this may have seemed true to the author, I'm not so sure that God deliberately set every king in his throne. This was more of a poetic verse recognizing God and His accomplishments.

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Same here. Or possibly, God did set some kings in place...but this had nothing to do with men choosing their own leaders.

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Good question. Will God stop others from doing their own will if we ask that his will be done here on earth?

Ha! Excellent question coming from my friend "in the choice is determined" club! I can only answer.....possibly. But, really, what I think has happened with me, personally, is that my will has become closer to being the same as God's will - so there isn't as much descrepancy as you might think

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Howdy justifyothers.

So, God does set some rulers in their positions of power, but he does so via non-human factors like wind, rain, goats, and gravity? God doesn't override the 'Free Will' of battling soldiers, conniving counselors, or other people involved in making a ruler a ruler?

Would God intervene in the physical process of electronic voting to commit voter fraud?

[justifyothers]

Though this may have seemed true to the author, I'm not so sure that God deliberately set every king in his throne. This was more of a poetic verse recognizing God and His accomplishments.

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Same here. Or possibly, God did set some kings in place...but this had nothing to do with men choosing their own leaders.

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Good question. Will God stop others from doing their own will if we ask that his will be done here on earth?

Ha! Excellent question coming from my friend "in the choice is determined" club! I can only answer.....possibly. But, really, what I think has happened with me, personally, is that my will has become closer to being the same as God's will - so there isn't as much descrepancy as you might think

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Howdy justifyothers.

So, God does set some rulers in their positions of power, but he does so via non-human factors like wind, rain, goats, and gravity? God doesn't override the 'Free Will' of battling soldiers, conniving counselors, or other people involved in making a ruler a ruler?

Would God intervene in the physical process of electronic voting to commit voter fraud?

Hey LP!

If we look at many of the rulers today, does it seem like God (= goodness) is overriding the processes? I don't think so, with the exception of a few peaceful leaders.
I mean, as we agreed before - choices are ours to make, though they are caused by different circumstances, one of those circumstances could be God, but I think that we would have to seek His will. I don't think it is forced on us.

"'Free Will' of battling soldiers, conniving counselors, or other people involved in making a ruler a ruler?"

The above is an example of people making bad choices and NOT being aligned with God's will. If you believed in Him, would you rather He intervene more? If so, where would you draw the line? (we may have common thoughts here)

[aarons914]

I don't think there is a God but even if there were I always think questions like these sound incredibly arrogant. I mean really, if there were a God why would he care who our president is? Don't you think if he was real and did care that there would be different rulers in other parts of the world where there really isn't any law. Do you think he would have allowed Hitler to be in power, Mao, Saddam Hussein?

[JohnnyJersey]

Since everything is God's will, do any christians question God's decision to elect Barack Obama as our next president?

Why would I question that?

[micatala]

Since everything is God's will, do any christians question God's decision to elect Barack Obama as our next president?

Why would I question that?

Not only that, why would we assume it was God who decided to elect Obama and not the American people?

Personally, while I had and continue to have some concerns about Obama, and would have preferred the dems had nominated Clinton, I voted for Obama and continue to think he is preferrable to McCain.

[Flail]

My question is, why should any Christian see Obama as an 'enemy' in the first place? Isn't Obama himself a Christian (United Church of Christ)? He was baptised as an adult and he seems Christian enough in his lifestyle and priorities: he loves his wife and children and his actions in the legislature show that he cares about social justice for the working poor. He is a Niebuhrian just-war theorist (not a position I always agree with, but still well within the Christian tradition), an environmentalist, and has explicitly stated that he favours policies that will reduce the number of abortions.

My guess is that most of these people have more objection to his skin colour showing that he's 'not one of them', rather than his religion, and they rationalise this by saying he's a 'Muslim', which he's not.

And yes, I voted for Obama.

[Flail]

My question is, why should any Christian see Obama as an 'enemy' in the first place? Isn't Obama himself a Christian (United Church of Christ)? He was baptised as an adult and he seems Christian enough in his lifestyle and priorities: he loves his wife and children and his actions in the legislature show that he cares about social justice for the working poor. He is a Niebuhrian just-war theorist (not a position I always agree with, but still well within the Christian tradition), an environmentalist, and has explicitly stated that he favours policies that will reduce the number of abortions.

My guess is that most of these people have more objection to his skin colour showing that he's 'not one of them', rather than his religion, and they rationalise this by saying he's a 'Muslim', which he's not.

And yes, I voted for Obama.

and yes i voted for obama

kkk

[WinePusher]

My question is, why should any Christian see Obama as an 'enemy' in the first place? Isn't Obama himself a Christian (United Church of Christ)? He was baptised as an adult and he seems Christian enough in his lifestyle and priorities: he loves his wife and children and his actions in the legislature show that he cares about social justice for the working poor. He is a Niebuhrian just-war theorist (not a position I always agree with, but still well within the Christian tradition), an environmentalist, and has explicitly stated that he favours policies that will reduce the number of abortions.

My guess is that most of these people have more objection to his skin colour showing that he's 'not one of them', rather than his religion, and they rationalise this by saying he's a 'Muslim', which he's not.

And yes, I voted for Obama.

and yes i voted for obama

kkk

What are you suggesting, when you make a one liner post like "kkk."