6000 year old (or so) universe

[McCulloch]

The bible never claims that the universe is 6000 years old.

How old is the universe according to the writers of the Bible? Do they provide any information? How much of the data reported as fact does one have to ignore to believe that the Biblical writers would allow for a billions of years old universe?

[Misty]

I find Genesis as the second most spiritual book in the Bible; of course revelation is the most spiritual.

Whatever turns you one of course. I find both full of complete baloney and not ones to take seriously. I believe Revelation very nearly didn't make it when the Bible was compiled. It is a great pity it was ever included!

[Benoni]

I find Genesis as the second most spiritual book in the Bible; of course revelation is the most spiritual.

Whatever turns you one of course. I find both full of complete baloney and not ones to take seriously. I believe Revelation very nearly didn't make it when the Bible was compiled. It is a great pity it was ever included!

Wow really?

I understand where you are coming from for The Book of Revelation is the most misunderstood book in the Bible and it is my favorite; it is attually very much a positive book and of course as I said the most spiritual.

Well you seem so bitter and closed mind to spiritual things I am sure there is no reason to say more; but I do love this book.

[Clownboat]

I find Genesis as the second most spiritual book in the Bible; of course revelation is the most spiritual.

Whatever turns you one of course. I find both full of complete baloney and not ones to take seriously. I believe Revelation very nearly didn't make it when the Bible was compiled. It is a great pity it was ever included!

Wow really?

I understand where you are coming from for The Book of Revelation is the most misunderstood book in the Bible and it is my favorite; it is attually very much a positive book and of course as I said the most spiritual.

Well you seem so bitter and closed mind to spiritual things I am sure there is no reason to say more; but I do love this book.

You seem so star struck and in love with spiritual things, I am sure there is no reason to say more; but I do love bacon. Hmmmm, bacon.

[Benoni]

I find Genesis as the second most spiritual book in the Bible; of course revelation is the most spiritual.

Whatever turns you one of course. I find both full of complete baloney and not ones to take seriously. I believe Revelation very nearly didn't make it when the Bible was compiled. It is a great pity it was ever included!

Wow really?

I understand where you are coming from for The Book of Revelation is the most misunderstood book in the Bible and it is my favorite; it is attually very much a positive book and of course as I said the most spiritual.

Well you seem so bitter and closed mind to spiritual things I am sure there is no reason to say more; but I do love this book.

You seem so star struck and in love with spiritual things, I am sure there is no reason to say more; but I do love bacon. Hmmmm, bacon.

I am a Christian. Why would I not love the spiritual? Are you offended?

[Clownboat]

I find Genesis as the second most spiritual book in the Bible; of course revelation is the most spiritual.

Whatever turns you one of course. I find both full of complete baloney and not ones to take seriously. I believe Revelation very nearly didn't make it when the Bible was compiled. It is a great pity it was ever included!

Wow really?

I understand where you are coming from for The Book of Revelation is the most misunderstood book in the Bible and it is my favorite; it is actually very much a positive book and of course as I said the most spiritual.

Well you seem so bitter and closed mind to spiritual things I am sure there is no reason to say more; but I do love this book.

You seem so star struck and in love with spiritual things, I am sure there is no reason to say more; but I do love bacon. Hmmmm, bacon.

I am a Christian. Why would I not love the spiritual? Are you offended?

I would expect you to love the spiritual. A love for the "spiritual" and "Christianity" seem to go hand in hand.

Often times, by many Christians, things like bad storms or tsunamis... even get taken to the spiritual realm. I think that that is because of this love for the spiritual realm. There is such a love, that many Christians will take (in my mind) very natural things and go out of their way to equate them to the spirit realm. So again, I would expect you to love spiritual things. What I don't expect, is for you, or anyone else to be able to even offer evidence that a spiritual realm actually exists.

You could never offend me.

[S-word]

I find Genesis as the second most spiritual book in the Bible; of course revelation is the most spiritual.

Whatever turns you one of course. I find both full of complete baloney and not ones to take seriously. I believe Revelation very nearly didn't make it when the Bible was compiled. It is a great pity it was ever included!

Wow really?

I understand where you are coming from for The Book of Revelation is the most misunderstood book in the Bible and it is my favorite; it is actually very much a positive book and of course as I said the most spiritual.

Well you seem so bitter and closed mind to spiritual things I am sure there is no reason to say more; but I do love this book.

You seem so star struck and in love with spiritual things, I am sure there is no reason to say more; but I do love bacon. Hmmmm, bacon.

I am a Christian. Why would I not love the spiritual? Are you offended?

I would expect you to love the spiritual. A love for the "spiritual" and "Christianity" seem to go hand in hand.

Often times, by many Christians, things like bad storms or tsunamis... even get taken to the spiritual realm. I think that that is because of this love for the spiritual realm. There is such a love, that many Christians will take (in my mind) very natural things and go out of their way to equate them to the spirit realm. So again, I would expect you to love spiritual things. What I don't expect, is for you, or anyone else to be able to even offer evidence that a spiritual realm actually exists.

You could never offend me.

Yes, they do tend to live outside of the real world, but what has this post to do with the age of the universe? You must learn to avoid those, who, in this forum, will attempt to lead you away from the debate at hand.

[Manasseh_]

" What I don't expect, is for you, or anyone else to be able to even offer evidence that a spiritual realm actually exists.

You could never offend me.

Hmmmmmm.......the spiritual realm........How many people on the planet now.....6 billion ?........and of that amount Clownboat is unique in every way and different from all the other 5.99 billion.......oh yeah, there are many similarities, and I bet if we went on a global search we'd even find someone out there that really looks like Clownboat might even have a very similar voice as Clownboat, and yet still a different human being, well after experimentation we find they don't eat french fries exactly the same way as Clownboat does.........why?


Could we do other tests such as mri's cat scans.......x-rays ? would we find what makes Clownboat so different from such a plethora of other human beings? Exactly what would we be looking for to know how Clownboat is so different but yet part of the human race? Oh the humanity, so many questions and so little time.

Where is our "Mind" Clownboat? .........not talking about the brain now, again we all have brains but still we're all so different

Where's our personal "Intellect" Clownboat?

Why do we "love" Clownboat ? and you can't cheat on this question either and say animals love, they operate on instinct only, unless you can give proof that any other life form on this earth has equal intellect or greater than man.


Only a very few examples...........but still,things science can't even explain. Can medical science show you a tangible mind, something seen, a personality? Obviously not.....and sorry for the rhetorical questions.

Things unseen yet are part of our BEING........not tangible as seemingly physical objects go, but they're still there ......the same things that make Clownboat so different from everyone else. Things that only exist in the SPIRITUAL REALM.

Clownboat I'd like all these questions in this quiz answered and on my desk by Friday along with a 500 word essay on why you now believe the spiritual realm exists, and yes that's an ultimatum........hmmmmm I wonder if ultimatums can be seen?


ROMANS 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

[Benoni]

S-word"

Yes, they do tend to live outside of the real world, but what has this post to do with the age of the universe? You must learn to avoid those, who, in this forum, will attempt to lead you away from the debate at hand

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You see God is real; He is a spirit and God's realm is real and it is spirit not phyical which is not is temporal or religious like yours; ..you are so correct.

Yes, few do tend to live outside of the real world when it comes to understanding and knowing God for those who worship him worship him in spirit and truth, which has nothing to do with religious and error.

There are many worlds are you did not mention; there is the physical world to which we all live in, I am a Police Officer and carried a loaded hand gun hot and ready everyday and did twenty years active duty Army ; yes this is the world we live in now but for a purpose.

There are religious worlds like you are in and cannot see beyond; and there is also the spiritual world to which carnal religious man cannot perceive or see like your self. When it comes to the religious world our Lord gave this awesome verse that so much fits your concept of God in Jeremiah

Your approach to truth is more like a broken cistern then river that flows and gets deep.

2 Corinthians 4

12So then death worketh in us, but life in you.
13We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
14Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
15For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.
16For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 17For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


Matthew 13
13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

13:14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;

13:15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'

13:16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;

[Benoni]

Here is a perfect example from the Bible that show us we need to be seekers of truth and not sit on what we know; most of these are hidden from the religious mind, carnal mind but God does reveal them to His babes/ His out called/His overcomers.

I cannot and will not fit God’s Word in a man made box; it is like a river that flows and gets deeper and deeper; in fact so deep at times you cannot no longer stand; that is where faith comes in.

Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Broken Cisterns is all they have; Jeremiah had it totally right. To look beyond those man made principles is so contrary to established creeds and doctrine; they are just like the Catholic Church in the Dark Ages. Luther was a man who was called of God; Luther was not perfect; but Luther did something most Christians refuse to do; hear God and walk with the principles God had given Him. Lutherans today hear Luther and walk with the principle Luther taught them, and do not comprehend God’s Spirit has moved beyond Luther and his dead creed and dogmas. The Bible is not a law Book; but a living moving book that goes beyond the principles man made established icons.

1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come. example

Example: NT:5178 a : Strong’s: tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture)

[Clownboat]

" What I don't expect, is for you, or anyone else to be able to even offer evidence that a spiritual realm actually exists.

You could never offend me.

Snipped for not being relevant.

Where is our "Mind" Clownboat? .........not talking about the brain now, again we all have brains but still we're all so different.

It's in our brain, in the form of chemical reactions. You could know this if you would take the time to use your mind. It seems to me that you are trying to make it sound like, because we all have brains, we should all be the same and that it is the mind that makes us individuals. I disagree with this, and would require some proof to consider it further.

Where's our personal "Intellect" Clownboat?

Intellect is our capacity for thinking and acquiring knowledge, esp. of a high or complex order; mental capacity. I posit that our intellect does not have a location other than being a construct of the brain. Can you prove otherwise?

Why do we "love" Clownboat ? and you can't cheat on this question either and say animals love, they operate on instinct only, unless you can give proof that any other life form on this earth has equal intellect or greater than man.

Love is a chemical reaction. There is nothing spiritual about it no matter how bad you want there to be one.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/sci ... 02-13.html

Only a very few examples...........but still,things science can't even explain. Can medical science show you a tangible mind, something seen, a personality? Obviously not.....and sorry for the rhetorical questions.

The mind is a construct of the brain. Unless you would like to claim that a person in a vegetated state, without brain activity, still has a mind.

Things unseen yet are part of our BEING........not tangible as seemingly physical objects go, but they're still there ......the same things that make Clownboat so different from everyone else. Things that only exist in the SPIRITUAL REALM.

I will not believe you when you say the mind is spiritual just because you say so. Not to mention the evidence (like the chemical reactions taking place while feeling love) suggests it is just a construct of the brain.