')Benoni What are your thoughts on hell
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Post #11Please if you have any questions or comments it makes thing far more interesting. These subjects are deep and there are a lot of areas to cover; the doctrines of damnations are deep seeded in the Bible (the letter that killeth) and even more deeply seeded in Christian Babylon as scripture calls the religious realm.
I work afternoons just for information and weekends.
I am not a scholar nor and I or an expert on language and usually need to quote other sources for this technical information but what God’s people do not understand is if religious intellect was the answer then we would have 40,000 Christian religions all believing 19,000 different dogma. If scripture is divine and it is truth there is only one source for truth and that is the spirit of truth. He is the puzzle. He is the pole of the May pole and without Him all we have is religion.
1 Corin. 1:25 (Amp) [This is] because the foolish thing [that has its source in] God is wiser than men, and the weak thing [that springs] from God is stronger than men.
26For [simply] consider your own call, brethren; not many [of you were considered to be] wise according to human estimates and standards, not many influential and powerful, not many of high and noble birth.
27[No] for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame.
28And God also selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is lowborn and insignificant and branded and treated with contempt, even the things that are nothing, that He might depose and bring to nothing the things that are,
29So that no mortal man should [have pretense for glorying and] boast in the presence of God.
30But it is from Him that you have your life in Christ Jesus, Whom God made our Wisdom from God, [revealed to us a knowledge of the divine plan of salvation previously hidden, manifesting itself as] our Righteousness [thus making us upright and putting us in right standing with God], and our Consecration [making us pure and holy], and our Redemption [providing our ransom from eternal penalty for sin].
If you will notice most believers will not even debate with me this subject is so taboo to them. They live in fear of being deceived but what they miss is this taboo is the very key they are missing to find truth and the reality of who Jesus truly is. I am a spiritual man and left the comfort of organized religion long ago in fact 36 years ago and have never turned back.
ecclesia� Greek called out
We as believers must seek, ask and knock that is all it takes; stop asking man and ask the Spirit of truth with in. All you are showing me is how Baby lon tries to restrict God’s Word to their limit understanding; instead of reaching out for the deep things of His spirit.
God calls men not systems; never do you find a group of people called by God. The broad way that leads destruction is religion; men do not follow Christ they follow their Pastor/Priest or Pope, their denomination their system; not God’s anointing; anti Christ; anti anointing same thing. Church is a Greek Word “ecclesia� which simply means the called out. There is a true Church and a false Church; Baby lon is the false church; while the true Church is not a building, a system, denomination but Christ with in us, the hope of Glory.
The Greek word for "assembling" is EPISUNAGOGE. The word, literally, is a verb meaning to synagogue. It is a compound of the Greek prefix EPI with the word SUNAGOGE from which we get our transliterated English word Synagogue. EPI means super- imposition - that which is above, higher than, highest, upon. SUNAGOGE means a meeting, assembly, or gathering. Putting these two words together, EPI- SUNAGOGE means THE ABOVE SYNAGOGUE, THE HIGHER MEETING, THE HIGHEST ASSEMBLY, THE HIGHER-THAN-ALL-GATHERINGS!
It bespeaks of something far greater than merely collecting so many breathing bodies together in one place. It is a meeting in a higher realm, on a higher plane, in the high places of the Spirit, and in the heights of Truth. It is a gathering together in a dimension above. It indicates an assembling IN THE SPIRIT, as Paul also testified, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 2:6). Tens of thousands, yea, tens of millions of believers gather together in "church buildings" every Sunday morning, and because they make the effort to get out of bed, get the family ready, and drive off to a warm pew, they are convinced that they have met the requirements of the divine fiat: "Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together."
Reference to Jesus with the Samaritan women at the well. He knew that Jews did not often speak to Samaritans, but He said to her, "Please give me a drink." The woman saw from His looks and His dress that He was a Jew, and she said to Him, "How is it that you, who are a Jew, ask drink of me, a Samaritan woman?" Jesus answered her, "If you know what God's free gift is, and if you knew who it is that says to you, Give me a drink, you would ask Him to give you living water, and He would give it to you."
She said to Him, "Sir, you have nothing to draw water with, and the well is deep. Where can you get that living water? Are you greater than our father Jacob, who drank from this well?" "Whoever drinks of this water, " said Jesus, "shall thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him, shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up unto everlasting life." "Sir," said the woman, "give me some of this water of yours, so that I will not thirst any more nor come all the way to this well.
Now, which of these is the right place?" Her concern, and the major issue of the moment for her, had to do with the specific proper location for worship. In this respect, this woman differed little from the multitudes in this hour who ask, "Where should we worship? What church should we attend? What ministry should we submit to?"
The Lord did not dodge her question. Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe ME, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him. God is a spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." The time would come, said the Lord, when both "this mountain" and "Jerusalem", as well as any other geographical locality, or appointed structure, would be considered completely irrelevant as a condition to worship.
This is simply a choice of believing man or God’s Spiritual Word. So often in my past debates I have been called a heretic because I dare speak out about the unspeakable. I dare say words against literal scripture and speak out against all religion and as many call them self’s orthodox Christian beliefs.
The call me a heretic because I am a Christian Universalist. This is the ultimate of evil to the religious man; I am sure this title is something close to the word Satan, Benedict Arnold and Judas; in their view. But no where in scripture is there any scriptural backing that labels a Christian Universalist a heretic; on the contrary.
The whole doctrine of eternal hell and torture is what scripture, God’s Word calls the heresies of damnation. This so called evil doctrine is based on the misinterpretation a number of words like the Teutonic pagan word hell. As well as eternal, everlasting and forever and ever which are full of errors and out right inconsistencies.
What makes these heresies of damnation so pathetic is the thought of why Jesus the Lamb of God would torture billion upon billions of God’s people who he has never called for ever end ever and you call this good news.
There doctrine is not based on God’s Word well if you call the letter that killeth God’s Word and it is, BUT was put there by God as a lie so many will rather trust religion then God spirit with in them. You will never see mainstream Christianity dare go against this Heresies of damnation be it the Pope, Joyce Meyer, Billy Graham or you name them.
I would be glad to back anything I say with scripture.
I work afternoons just for information and weekends.
I am not a scholar nor and I or an expert on language and usually need to quote other sources for this technical information but what God’s people do not understand is if religious intellect was the answer then we would have 40,000 Christian religions all believing 19,000 different dogma. If scripture is divine and it is truth there is only one source for truth and that is the spirit of truth. He is the puzzle. He is the pole of the May pole and without Him all we have is religion.
1 Corin. 1:25 (Amp) [This is] because the foolish thing [that has its source in] God is wiser than men, and the weak thing [that springs] from God is stronger than men.
26For [simply] consider your own call, brethren; not many [of you were considered to be] wise according to human estimates and standards, not many influential and powerful, not many of high and noble birth.
27[No] for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame.
28And God also selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is lowborn and insignificant and branded and treated with contempt, even the things that are nothing, that He might depose and bring to nothing the things that are,
29So that no mortal man should [have pretense for glorying and] boast in the presence of God.
30But it is from Him that you have your life in Christ Jesus, Whom God made our Wisdom from God, [revealed to us a knowledge of the divine plan of salvation previously hidden, manifesting itself as] our Righteousness [thus making us upright and putting us in right standing with God], and our Consecration [making us pure and holy], and our Redemption [providing our ransom from eternal penalty for sin].
If you will notice most believers will not even debate with me this subject is so taboo to them. They live in fear of being deceived but what they miss is this taboo is the very key they are missing to find truth and the reality of who Jesus truly is. I am a spiritual man and left the comfort of organized religion long ago in fact 36 years ago and have never turned back.
ecclesia� Greek called out
We as believers must seek, ask and knock that is all it takes; stop asking man and ask the Spirit of truth with in. All you are showing me is how Baby lon tries to restrict God’s Word to their limit understanding; instead of reaching out for the deep things of His spirit.
God calls men not systems; never do you find a group of people called by God. The broad way that leads destruction is religion; men do not follow Christ they follow their Pastor/Priest or Pope, their denomination their system; not God’s anointing; anti Christ; anti anointing same thing. Church is a Greek Word “ecclesia� which simply means the called out. There is a true Church and a false Church; Baby lon is the false church; while the true Church is not a building, a system, denomination but Christ with in us, the hope of Glory.
The Greek word for "assembling" is EPISUNAGOGE. The word, literally, is a verb meaning to synagogue. It is a compound of the Greek prefix EPI with the word SUNAGOGE from which we get our transliterated English word Synagogue. EPI means super- imposition - that which is above, higher than, highest, upon. SUNAGOGE means a meeting, assembly, or gathering. Putting these two words together, EPI- SUNAGOGE means THE ABOVE SYNAGOGUE, THE HIGHER MEETING, THE HIGHEST ASSEMBLY, THE HIGHER-THAN-ALL-GATHERINGS!
It bespeaks of something far greater than merely collecting so many breathing bodies together in one place. It is a meeting in a higher realm, on a higher plane, in the high places of the Spirit, and in the heights of Truth. It is a gathering together in a dimension above. It indicates an assembling IN THE SPIRIT, as Paul also testified, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 2:6). Tens of thousands, yea, tens of millions of believers gather together in "church buildings" every Sunday morning, and because they make the effort to get out of bed, get the family ready, and drive off to a warm pew, they are convinced that they have met the requirements of the divine fiat: "Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together."
Reference to Jesus with the Samaritan women at the well. He knew that Jews did not often speak to Samaritans, but He said to her, "Please give me a drink." The woman saw from His looks and His dress that He was a Jew, and she said to Him, "How is it that you, who are a Jew, ask drink of me, a Samaritan woman?" Jesus answered her, "If you know what God's free gift is, and if you knew who it is that says to you, Give me a drink, you would ask Him to give you living water, and He would give it to you."
She said to Him, "Sir, you have nothing to draw water with, and the well is deep. Where can you get that living water? Are you greater than our father Jacob, who drank from this well?" "Whoever drinks of this water, " said Jesus, "shall thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him, shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up unto everlasting life." "Sir," said the woman, "give me some of this water of yours, so that I will not thirst any more nor come all the way to this well.
Now, which of these is the right place?" Her concern, and the major issue of the moment for her, had to do with the specific proper location for worship. In this respect, this woman differed little from the multitudes in this hour who ask, "Where should we worship? What church should we attend? What ministry should we submit to?"
The Lord did not dodge her question. Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe ME, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him. God is a spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." The time would come, said the Lord, when both "this mountain" and "Jerusalem", as well as any other geographical locality, or appointed structure, would be considered completely irrelevant as a condition to worship.
This is simply a choice of believing man or God’s Spiritual Word. So often in my past debates I have been called a heretic because I dare speak out about the unspeakable. I dare say words against literal scripture and speak out against all religion and as many call them self’s orthodox Christian beliefs.
The call me a heretic because I am a Christian Universalist. This is the ultimate of evil to the religious man; I am sure this title is something close to the word Satan, Benedict Arnold and Judas; in their view. But no where in scripture is there any scriptural backing that labels a Christian Universalist a heretic; on the contrary.
The whole doctrine of eternal hell and torture is what scripture, God’s Word calls the heresies of damnation. This so called evil doctrine is based on the misinterpretation a number of words like the Teutonic pagan word hell. As well as eternal, everlasting and forever and ever which are full of errors and out right inconsistencies.
What makes these heresies of damnation so pathetic is the thought of why Jesus the Lamb of God would torture billion upon billions of God’s people who he has never called for ever end ever and you call this good news.
There doctrine is not based on God’s Word well if you call the letter that killeth God’s Word and it is, BUT was put there by God as a lie so many will rather trust religion then God spirit with in them. You will never see mainstream Christianity dare go against this Heresies of damnation be it the Pope, Joyce Meyer, Billy Graham or you name them.
I would be glad to back anything I say with scripture.
Re: Benoni What are your thoughts on hell
Post #12Where does that come from?oldkjv wrote:I believe everyone is either going to heaven or hell. Except babies I believe they will just stay asleep.
And what does it mean to stay asleep?
