US Constitution based on Christian Laws

[achilles12604]

In another thread Whirlwind wrote the following:

We are founded on Judaic/Christian values....not Islam.

This of course took the original thread off course and as such, I am starting a new topic here to investigate this claim.

The Constitution of the United States

Whirlwind, as you made the claim, I shall allow you to provide examples. If you do not provide examples sometime today (Assuming you are on later today), I will delve into this in the near future myself as I LOVE learning new things.

[whirlwind]

Please realize, Christianity is NOT a religion.

Wait, what?? I mean, really. By what definition is Christianity not a religion? Simply because you say it's true?

I guess we can pass a law that the president must be Christian, because, you know, the "no religious test" clause doesn't apply to Christianity.

Ridiculous.

Christianity is not an intellectual system, a collection of dogma, or moralism. Christianity is an encounter, a love story, an event. ~ Benedict XVI


I'm not Catholic but I agree with the above.

[chris_brown207]

You're very welcome. It furthers both of our points. We are experiencing this life for a reason...to make a choice. God gives you the choice of free will. Our nation also gives you that choice. No laws are to be made either way. What law have you found ordering you to worship anyone?

There are no laws requiring us a citizens to worship any one god - but there have been laws to have directly violated the First Amendment which prohibits government from "respecting any establishment of religion".

Laws such as "National Prayer Day", or teaching "Intelligent Design" in schools are just a few quick and recent examples.

P.s. Which god were you referring to? Zeus, Odin, Rah, Ganesh, Vishnu, Allah, Thor, Apollo, Sita, L Ron Hubbard, Catequil, FSM, the Pink Unicorn, or any of the countless other gods and goddesses that we as a species have worshiped throughout our brief history on this planet?

Your examples and understanding are not correct for....do the laws you see establish "a" religion? Does "prayer day" establish "a" religion?

Please realize, Christianity is NOT a religion. Intelligent design is truth and should certainly be taught in school. If atheists wish to place the THEORY OF evolution, where an ape becomes a man, beside truth then...they're free to do so.

In regards to your version of the First Amendment...please reread what is actually written....

First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Rather than your version of, "respecting any establishment of religion," it is written, "respecting an establishment of religion." Funny what the improper addition of a "y" can do to the meaning.

PS: The only GOD, who is the One I refer to always is.....

Psalm 50:1 The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

Thank you for that last statement, that was quite enlightening. I am beginning to realize that there really isn't much point in debate with someone who would take something as blatantly based in opinion as intelligent design and call it a "fact".

The First Amendment states that the government shall make no laws "RESPECTING an establishment of religion", it doesn't say that the government shall not establish a religion (although that too would fall under the First Amendment). It is you who takes those words out of context. And don't take my word for it, just ask the Supreme Court.

[whirlwind]

You're very welcome. It furthers both of our points. We are experiencing this life for a reason...to make a choice. God gives you the choice of free will. Our nation also gives you that choice. No laws are to be made either way. What law have you found ordering you to worship anyone?

There are no laws requiring us a citizens to worship any one god - but there have been laws to have directly violated the First Amendment which prohibits government from "respecting any establishment of religion".

Laws such as "National Prayer Day", or teaching "Intelligent Design" in schools are just a few quick and recent examples.

P.s. Which god were you referring to? Zeus, Odin, Rah, Ganesh, Vishnu, Allah, Thor, Apollo, Sita, L Ron Hubbard, Catequil, FSM, the Pink Unicorn, or any of the countless other gods and goddesses that we as a species have worshiped throughout our brief history on this planet?

Your examples and understanding are not correct for....do the laws you see establish "a" religion? Does "prayer day" establish "a" religion?

Please realize, Christianity is NOT a religion. Intelligent design is truth and should certainly be taught in school. If atheists wish to place the THEORY OF evolution, where an ape becomes a man, beside truth then...they're free to do so.

In regards to your version of the First Amendment...please reread what is actually written....

First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Rather than your version of, "respecting any establishment of religion," it is written, "respecting an establishment of religion." Funny what the improper addition of a "y" can do to the meaning.

PS: The only GOD, who is the One I refer to always is.....

Psalm 50:1 The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

Thank you for that last statement, that was quite enlightening. I am beginning to realize that there really isn't much point in debate with someone who would take something as blatantly based in opinion as intelligent design and call it a "fact".

Therein is the dispute and reason for debate. You prefer the "theory" and I prefer His Word.

The First Amendment states that the government shall make no laws "RESPECTING an establishment of religion", it doesn't say that the government shall not establish a religion (although that too would fall under the First Amendment). It is you who takes those words out of context. And don't take my word for it, just ask the Supreme Court.

No. It isn't me. Please read the quotes I gave above. It was you that changed the wording...not me.

[Wyvern]

Therein is the dispute and reason for debate. You prefer the "theory" and I prefer His Word.

If you prefer his word why did you change what you call it from creationism to intelligent design? Once you can show that your hypothesis of intelligent design is science we will then be glad to call it a theory and put it in the science texts but until that time it is nothing more than creationism with a mask.

[perfessor]

Please realize, Christianity is NOT a religion.

(bold added)
Wait, what?? I mean, really. By what definition is Christianity not a religion? Simply because you say it's true?

I guess we can pass a law that the president must be Christian, because, you know, the "no religious test" clause doesn't apply to Christianity.

Ridiculous.

Christianity is not an intellectual system, a collection of dogma, or moralism. Christianity is an encounter, a love story, an event. ~ Benedict XVI


I'm not Catholic but I agree with the above.

Whirlwind, if you start changing the meaning of words ("religion"), it becomes difficult to have a meaningful conversation.

If Christianity is no longer a religion, does that give it special status under the Constitution? Does the "no religious test" clause no longer apply? Does the First Amendment no longer apply? Or is it simply a feel-good distinction that has no meaning?

[whirlwind]

Therein is the dispute and reason for debate. You prefer the "theory" and I prefer His Word.

If you prefer his word why did you change what you call it from creationism to intelligent design? Once you can show that your hypothesis of intelligent design is science we will then be glad to call it a theory and put it in the science texts but until that time it is nothing more than creationism with a mask.

I have no problem with the term creationism or intelligent design. There is no need for you to term it a "theory" as it is truth. Evolution is the theory and properly titled as such.

[whirlwind]

Please realize, Christianity is NOT a religion.

(bold added)
Wait, what?? I mean, really. By what definition is Christianity not a religion? Simply because you say it's true?

I guess we can pass a law that the president must be Christian, because, you know, the "no religious test" clause doesn't apply to Christianity.

Ridiculous.

Christianity is not an intellectual system, a collection of dogma, or moralism. Christianity is an encounter, a love story, an event. ~ Benedict XVI


I'm not Catholic but I agree with the above.

Whirlwind, if you start changing the meaning of words ("religion"), it becomes difficult to have a meaningful conversation.

If Christianity is no longer a religion, does that give it special status under the Constitution? Does the "no religious test" clause no longer apply? Does the First Amendment no longer apply? Or is it simply a feel-good distinction that has no meaning?

Religion covers many things. Worship of God and worship of gods, animals, whatever. Christianity is a way of life and belief in Christ. All religion is covered in America.

[chris_brown207]

Religion covers many things. Worship of God and worship of gods, animals, whatever. Christianity is a way of life and belief in Christ. All religion is covered in America.

How very Christian of you to pass judgment on other religion and make assumptions about them. That is quite an assumption, to assume that their religion is not also a way of life to them...

I guess that is why they call it "blind" faith.

[WinePusher]

Actually, the Constitution is more of an Enlightenment document, tying us more to the French than the British, who, after all, kept their monarchy. They sent us the statue of Liberty because of common Enlightenment bonds. Jeffereson was attacked by the religiose backwoods proto-republicans as that "Frenchman on the Potomac", and is incidentally downgraded by the churchified Texas schoolbook revisionists. This is probably due to his Separation Clause, which they would like us to forget.

+1

It's a shame when a dentist can control the history classes of a population.

I apologize on behalf of all Texans who would like the conservative members of our school board to jump in a lake.

Are you upset that the liberal lies about the american tradition and right will not be taught to students anymore?

Liberal Lie # 1: America is a greedy imperialist nation.

Why are liberals so critical and harsh on the westward expansion of the settlers, why do the libs criticize manifest destiny as an effort to steal land from the mexicans? is it that they really believe that America is the enemy? Why is the negative view of manifest destiny put into textbooks by the company holt? Are we not supposed to praise this country? And when the conservatives try to reform the textbooks and take out these treacherous liberal lies, we have people like you come out and condemn it.

Liberal Lie # 2: The New Deal Worked.

Why do these school textbooks by Prentice Hall and Holt praise FDR and the New Deal? The New Deal failed, the New Deal put the nation into a massive debt, yet these radical textbook authors say it pulled us out of the depression. You know what pulled us out of the Great Depression, WORLD WAR II, NOT THE NEW DEAL. It was the war time economy that saved this nation. And we know what the democrat stance on war is, "AMERICA SHOULDN'T POLICE THE NATION" "AMERICA IS NOT THE POLICEMAN OF THE WORLD."

Liberal Lie # 3: The Defamation Of Joseph McCarthy

Why do english textbooks, when teaching the Crucible, portray McCarthy as a paranoid lunatic? McCarthy prevented a communist take oveer of this country, is that why Liberals hate him? Is it true McCarthy accused people will not evidence? The Most famous line of attack is when McCarthy targeted the State Department Officials as Communist. Was it really just McCarthy who did that, it was his entire committee and the majority of the senate who confirmed his suspecions. McCarthy is a patriot and the liberal lies about him are due to his hatred of communism.

Liberal Lie # 4: Gorbechev ended the Cold War

NO! It was THATCHER, REAGAN AND POPE JOHN PAUL WHO ENDED IT. BUT SINCE THEY ARE CHRISTIANS AND CONSERVATIVES, THE LIBERALS MUST DISCREDIT THEM.
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[Wyvern]

Therein is the dispute and reason for debate. You prefer the "theory" and I prefer His Word.

If you prefer his word why did you change what you call it from creationism to intelligent design? Once you can show that your hypothesis of intelligent design is science we will then be glad to call it a theory and put it in the science texts but until that time it is nothing more than creationism with a mask.

I have no problem with the term creationism or intelligent design. There is no need for you to term it a "theory" as it is truth. Evolution is the theory and properly titled as such.

I don't think you are aware of the scientific usage of the term theory. Evolution is indeed a theory in the scientific sense due to it being the best explanation for how life changes over time. Creationism on the other hand is not a theory or even a hypothesis it is religious dogma which you claim without bothering to prove to be the truth. If you think creationism is true prove it, if you can do it I guarantee you will get a Nobel prize.