1Pe 3:21a The like figure whereunto even *** baptism doth also now save us... ***
Fact: Here, Apostle Peter, using as an analogy, how the water lifted up the ark and saved Noah, the waters of baptism "DOTH NOW ALSO SAVE US."
Rom 6
4 *** Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: *** that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For *** IF *** we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
8 Now *** IF *** we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Fact: Apostle Paul states that baptism buries or plants us into death with Christ.
Fact: TWICE the Apostle says *** IF *** we have taken this course of action, we shall we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection and that we believe that we shall also live with him.
Act 10
47 *** Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, *** which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48a And *** he commanded them to be baptized *** in the name of the Lord.
Fact: Apostle Peter *** COMMANDED *** them to be baptized, unlike pastors today who will say you're saved as soon as you "accept Christ" and never even mention baptism.
Act 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, *** and *** ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said to *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said to be baptized *** FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said "*** and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost***" (which is a requirement of NT salvation) predicated upon the understanding that you repent and be baptized.
Act 2
41 Then they that *** gladly received his word were baptized:*** and the same day there were *** added unto them about three thousand souls. ***
Act 8
12 *** But when they believed *** Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, *** they were baptized, both men and women. ***
Fact: Believing the preached word in the NT church example was followed by baptism, not a handshake.
Act 22
16 *** And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, *** calling on the name of the Lord.
Fact: The Apostle Paul, when he believed, was first asked, "WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?" (paraphrased)
Fact: The Apostle Paul, when he believed, was instructed to *** arise, and BE BAPTIZED, and WASH AWAY THY SINS. ***
Compare Jesus' instructions with Peter's:
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, *** Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. ***
Act 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, *** and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Fact: Jesus and Peter BOTH made a primary issue in their ministries of being born of the water and Spirit. Jesus said without it you *** cannot enter into the kingdom of God *** and Peter said it was *** FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. ***
Fact: Never ONCE do we see the Apostles telling ANYONE to simply "accept Christ as their personal Savior" to obtain salvation as most churches do today.
Here we conclude there is a large gulf between the Apostles' teachings on baptism and modern day religiosity. Don't we need to follow a pastor that teaches what the Apostles and the NT church teaches, not a contrary message? It's a salvation issue.
Did Apostles teach baptism was optional as churches do today
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Post #11
No it is not my stupid philosophy; it is scriptural. Here God’s Word not my stupid philosophy shows us how to be led by God; not led my some false UPC religion.oldkjv wrote:If your not going to use bible plz don't post here im not interested in your philosophy!
Colossians 3:14-16
14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
(Amp) 15And let the peace (soul harmony which comes) from Christ rule (act as umpire continually) in your hearts [deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state] to which as [members of Christ's] one body you were also called [to live]. And be thankful (appreciative), [giving praise to God always].
Re: Did Apostles teach baptism was optional as churches do t
Post #12Sorry I am not interested in you LAWS; I am interested in knowing Him. Your whole approach is so religious and judgemental not spiritual. God is a spirit and true worshipers worship God in spirit and in truth. I have been where you are and this is not where He is.oldkjv wrote:1Pe 3:21a The like figure whereunto even *** baptism doth also now save us... ***
Fact: Here, Apostle Peter, using as an analogy, how the water lifted up the ark and saved Noah, the waters of baptism "DOTH NOW ALSO SAVE US."
Rom 6
4 *** Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: *** that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For *** IF *** we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
8 Now *** IF *** we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Fact: Apostle Paul states that baptism buries or plants us into death with Christ.
Fact: TWICE the Apostle says *** IF *** we have taken this course of action, we shall we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection and that we believe that we shall also live with him.
Act 10
47 *** Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, *** which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48a And *** he commanded them to be baptized *** in the name of the Lord.
Fact: Apostle Peter *** COMMANDED *** them to be baptized, unlike pastors today who will say you're saved as soon as you "accept Christ" and never even mention baptism.
Act 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, *** and *** ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said to *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said to be baptized *** FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said "*** and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost***" (which is a requirement of NT salvation) predicated upon the understanding that you repent and be baptized.
Act 2
41 Then they that *** gladly received his word were baptized:*** and the same day there were *** added unto them about three thousand souls. ***
Act 8
12 *** But when they believed *** Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, *** they were baptized, both men and women. ***
Fact: Believing the preached word in the NT church example was followed by baptism, not a handshake.
Act 22
16 *** And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, *** calling on the name of the Lord.
Fact: The Apostle Paul, when he believed, was first asked, "WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?" (paraphrased)
Fact: The Apostle Paul, when he believed, was instructed to *** arise, and BE BAPTIZED, and WASH AWAY THY SINS. ***
Compare Jesus' instructions with Peter's:
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, *** Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. ***
Act 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, *** and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Fact: Jesus and Peter BOTH made a primary issue in their ministries of being born of the water and Spirit. Jesus said without it you *** cannot enter into the kingdom of God *** and Peter said it was *** FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. ***
Fact: Never ONCE do we see the Apostles telling ANYONE to simply "accept Christ as their personal Savior" to obtain salvation as most churches do today.
Here we conclude there is a large gulf between the Apostles' teachings on baptism and modern day religiosity. Don't we need to follow a pastor that teaches what the Apostles and the NT church teaches, not a contrary message? It's a salvation issue.
Post #14
WOW I didn't know it was possible to use a bible definition of Grace without the Word graceBenoni wrote:No it is not my stupid philosophy; it is scriptural. Here God’s Word not my stupid philosophy shows us how to be led by God; not led my some false UPC religion.oldkjv wrote:If your not going to use bible plz don't post here im not interested in your philosophy!
Colossians 3:14-16
14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
word Grace.
(Amp) 15And let the peace (soul harmony which comes) from Christ rule (act as umpire continually) in your hearts [deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state] to which as [members of Christ's] one body you were also called [to live]. And be thankful (appreciative), [giving praise to God always].
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Post #15
I gave you the Bible in post 11.oldkjv wrote:Benoni Give me bible why baptism it is not a salvation issue!
Did you even read what the verses declared?
And let the peace (soul harmony which comes) from Christ rule (act as umpire continually) in your hearts [deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state]
Now that is a spiritual approach to god's Word not your legalistic ism.
What you want me to do is agree with you. I will never agree with you because I am a spiritual man not a religous man. You are trying to force your religion on me; in fact elementary beliefs;something for spiritual babes in the Lord.
You treat God's Word as law; which is but a child conductor; brother I no longer need a child conductor.
Post #16
oldkjv wrote:Were you trying to say something here?Benoni wrote:No it is not my stupid philosophy; it is scriptural. Here God’s Word not my stupid philosophy shows us how to be led by God; not led my some false UPC religion.oldkjv wrote:If your not going to use bible plz don't post here im not interested in your philosophy!
Colossians 3:14-16
14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
word Grace.
(Amp) 15And let the peace (soul harmony which comes) from Christ rule (act as umpire continually) in your hearts [deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state] to which as [members of Christ's] one body you were also called [to live]. And be thankful (appreciative), [giving praise to God always].
WOW I didn't know it was possible to use a bible definition of Grace without the
Re: Did Apostles teach baptism was optional as churches do t
Post #17There not my laws there the bible. And if your so interested in knowing him then you would be interested in knowing his word!!Benoni wrote:Sorry I am not interested in you LAWS; I am interested in knowing Him. Your whole approach is so religious and judgemental not spiritual. God is a spirit and true worshipers worship God in spirit and in truth. I have been where you are and this is not where He is.oldkjv wrote:1Pe 3:21a The like figure whereunto even *** baptism doth also now save us... ***
Fact: Here, Apostle Peter, using as an analogy, how the water lifted up the ark and saved Noah, the waters of baptism "DOTH NOW ALSO SAVE US."
Rom 6
4 *** Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: *** that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For *** IF *** we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
8 Now *** IF *** we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Fact: Apostle Paul states that baptism buries or plants us into death with Christ.
Fact: TWICE the Apostle says *** IF *** we have taken this course of action, we shall we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection and that we believe that we shall also live with him.
Act 10
47 *** Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, *** which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48a And *** he commanded them to be baptized *** in the name of the Lord.
Fact: Apostle Peter *** COMMANDED *** them to be baptized, unlike pastors today who will say you're saved as soon as you "accept Christ" and never even mention baptism.
Act 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, *** and *** ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said to *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said to be baptized *** FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said "*** and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost***" (which is a requirement of NT salvation) predicated upon the understanding that you repent and be baptized.
Act 2
41 Then they that *** gladly received his word were baptized:*** and the same day there were *** added unto them about three thousand souls. ***
Act 8
12 *** But when they believed *** Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, *** they were baptized, both men and women. ***
Fact: Believing the preached word in the NT church example was followed by baptism, not a handshake.
Act 22
16 *** And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, *** calling on the name of the Lord.
Fact: The Apostle Paul, when he believed, was first asked, "WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?" (paraphrased)
Fact: The Apostle Paul, when he believed, was instructed to *** arise, and BE BAPTIZED, and WASH AWAY THY SINS. ***
Compare Jesus' instructions with Peter's:
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, *** Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. ***
Act 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, *** and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Fact: Jesus and Peter BOTH made a primary issue in their ministries of being born of the water and Spirit. Jesus said without it you *** cannot enter into the kingdom of God *** and Peter said it was *** FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. ***
Fact: Never ONCE do we see the Apostles telling ANYONE to simply "accept Christ as their personal Savior" to obtain salvation as most churches do today.
Here we conclude there is a large gulf between the Apostles' teachings on baptism and modern day religiosity. Don't we need to follow a pastor that teaches what the Apostles and the NT church teaches, not a contrary message? It's a salvation issue.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And just because im trying to live a closer life to christ than you are now im jugemental! praise God!!!!!(':D')
Post #18
There is no bible in here stating that baptism doesn't save!!!!!!!!!Benoni wrote:I gave you the Bible in post 11.oldkjv wrote:Benoni Give me bible why baptism it is not a salvation issue!
Did you even read what the verses declared?
And let the peace (soul harmony which comes) from Christ rule (act as umpire continually) in your hearts [deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state]
Now that is a spiritual approach to god's Word not your legalistic ism.
What you want me to do is agree with you. I will never agree with you because I am a spiritual man not a religous man. You are trying to force your religion on me; in fact elementary beliefs;something for spiritual babes in the Lord.
You treat God's Word as law; which is but a child conductor; brother I no longer need a child conductor.
Post #19
WOW I didn't know it was possible to use a bible definition of Grace without the Word graceBenoni wrote:No it is not my stupid philosophy; it is scriptural. Here God’s Word not my stupid philosophy shows us how to be led by God; not led my some false UPC religion.oldkjv wrote:If your not going to use bible plz don't post here im not interested in your philosophy!
Colossians 3:14-16
14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
(Amp) 15And let the peace (soul harmony which comes) from Christ rule (act as umpire continually) in your hearts [deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state] to which as [members of Christ's] one body you were also called [to live]. And be thankful (appreciative), [giving praise to God always].
Re: Did Apostles teach baptism was optional as churches do t
Post #20But they are not laws; they are the living Word not the letter that killeth. God must quicken their reality to bring life to the dead letter. You are treating then as legalistic law words; not words of life.oldkjv wrote:There not my laws there the bible. And if your so interested in knowing him then you would be interested in knowing his word!!Benoni wrote:Sorry I am not interested in you LAWS; I am interested in knowing Him. Your whole approach is so religious and judgemental not spiritual. God is a spirit and true worshipers worship God in spirit and in truth. I have been where you are and this is not where He is.oldkjv wrote:1Pe 3:21a The like figure whereunto even *** baptism doth also now save us... ***
Fact: Here, Apostle Peter, using as an analogy, how the water lifted up the ark and saved Noah, the waters of baptism "DOTH NOW ALSO SAVE US."
Rom 6
4 *** Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: *** that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For *** IF *** we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
8 Now *** IF *** we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Fact: Apostle Paul states that baptism buries or plants us into death with Christ.
Fact: TWICE the Apostle says *** IF *** we have taken this course of action, we shall we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection and that we believe that we shall also live with him.
Act 10
47 *** Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, *** which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48a And *** he commanded them to be baptized *** in the name of the Lord.
Fact: Apostle Peter *** COMMANDED *** them to be baptized, unlike pastors today who will say you're saved as soon as you "accept Christ" and never even mention baptism.
Act 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, *** and *** ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said to *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said to be baptized *** FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, ***
Fact: Apostle Peter said "*** and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost***" (which is a requirement of NT salvation) predicated upon the understanding that you repent and be baptized.
Act 2
41 Then they that *** gladly received his word were baptized:*** and the same day there were *** added unto them about three thousand souls. ***
Act 8
12 *** But when they believed *** Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, *** they were baptized, both men and women. ***
Fact: Believing the preached word in the NT church example was followed by baptism, not a handshake.
Act 22
16 *** And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, *** calling on the name of the Lord.
Fact: The Apostle Paul, when he believed, was first asked, "WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?" (paraphrased)
Fact: The Apostle Paul, when he believed, was instructed to *** arise, and BE BAPTIZED, and WASH AWAY THY SINS. ***
Compare Jesus' instructions with Peter's:
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, *** Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. ***
Act 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and *** be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, *** and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Fact: Jesus and Peter BOTH made a primary issue in their ministries of being born of the water and Spirit. Jesus said without it you *** cannot enter into the kingdom of God *** and Peter said it was *** FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. ***
Fact: Never ONCE do we see the Apostles telling ANYONE to simply "accept Christ as their personal Savior" to obtain salvation as most churches do today.
Here we conclude there is a large gulf between the Apostles' teachings on baptism and modern day religiosity. Don't we need to follow a pastor that teaches what the Apostles and the NT church teaches, not a contrary message? It's a salvation issue.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And just because im trying to live a closer life to christ than you are now im jugemental! praise God!!!!!(':D')
