Physical pain in Hell

[Lux]

For the sake of this discussion, we assume there is a place called Hell, where some people (which people is irrelevant here) go after they die.

Every time I've heard about Hell, it was all about physical pain. Fire, torture, eternal agony. But how can we experience pain after we've died? Our brains cease to work, our neurones die. Our nerves no longer transmit signals. It is observable that a dead person can feel no pain. Otherwise, autopsies would be a terribly inhumane practice.

How can we feel pain, even in Hell, if our brains no longer function?

It has been pointed out to me that what goes to Hell or Heaven are our souls. How is it possible for a soul to feel physical pain?

[S-word]

For the sake of this discussion, we assume there is a place called Hell, where some people (which people is irrelevant here) go after they die.

Every time I've heard about Hell, it was all about physical pain. Fire, torture, eternal agony. But how can we experience pain after we've died? Our brains cease to work, our neurones die. Our nerves no longer transmit signals. It is observable that a dead person can feel no pain. Otherwise, autopsies would be a terribly inhumane practice.

How can we feel pain, even in Hell, if our brains no longer function?

It has been pointed out to me that what goes to Hell or Heaven are our souls. How is it possible for a soul to feel physical pain?

For the sake of this discussion, we assume there is a place called Hell, where some people (which people is irrelevant here) go after they die.

Every time I've heard about Hell, it was all about physical pain. Fire, torture, eternal agony. But how can we experience pain after we've died? Our brains cease to work, our neurones die. Our nerves no longer transmit signals. It is observable that a dead person can feel no pain. Otherwise, autopsies would be a terribly inhumane practice.

How can we feel pain, even in Hell, if our brains no longer function?

It has been pointed out to me that what goes to Hell or Heaven are our souls. How is it possible for a soul to feel physical pain?

There are two deaths that some must suffer, the first is the physical death, which is that of the body, and all must suffer the first death, even those who are translated in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter, into glorious incorruptible bodies of Light.

The only ones who are tormented in the fires of hell, See Revelation 20: 10; are the beast, the false prophet, and the Devil, where they will be tormented forever and ever. But according to Revelation 21: 7-9; the cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral etc suffer the second death in the fires of hell.

The second death is when the mind/spirit that has developed within the physical bodies, from the experiences and information taken in through the senses of the body, is separated from the eternal universal soul/life-force, which is the divine animating principle that pervades and animates the entire universal body, activating all therein. Once the body has been returned to the universal elements from which it was created and the mind/spirit has been separated from the eternal universal life-force, there can be no more pain and suffering.

Fear not man, who can kill your body, but can then do no more to you, (the mind/spirit that has developed within that body,) but fear He who can divide the mind/spirit that is you, from the universal soul/life-force.

[Zzyzx]

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There are two deaths . . . .

<snip preaching>

Of course you can substantiate all of this with something other than bible quotes, realizing this a debate forum not a podium for preaching.

[Flail]

For the sake of this discussion, we assume there is a place called Hell, where some people (which people is irrelevant here) go after they die.

Every time I've heard about Hell, it was all about physical pain. Fire, torture, eternal agony. But how can we experience pain after we've died? Our brains cease to work, our neurones die. Our nerves no longer transmit signals. It is observable that a dead person can feel no pain. Otherwise, autopsies would be a terribly inhumane practice.

How can we feel pain, even in Hell, if our brains no longer function?

It has been pointed out to me that what goes to Hell or Heaven are our souls. How is it possible for a soul to feel physical pain?

There is no evidence for Hell. They made it up. It's just a story used to motivate those who find no motivation in right conduct.

[Benoni]

S-Word Wrote:

There are two deaths that some must suffer, the first is the physical death, which is that of the body, and all must suffer the first death, even those who are translated in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter, into glorious incorruptible bodies of Light.

The only ones who are tormented in the fires of hell, See Revelation 20: 10; are the beast, the false prophet, and the Devil, where they will be tormented forever and ever. But according to Revelation 21: 7-9; the cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral etc suffer the second death in the fires of hell.

The second death is when the mind/spirit that has developed within the physical bodies, from the experiences and information taken in through the senses of the body, is separated from the eternal universal soul/life-force, which is the divine animating principle that pervades and animates the entire universal body, activating all therein. Once the body has been returned to the universal elements from which it was created and the mind/spirit has been separated from the eternal universal life-force, there can be no more pain and suffering.

Fear not man, who can kill your body, but can then do no more to you, (the mind/spirit that has developed within that body,) but fear He who can divide the mind/spirit that is you, from the universal soul/life-force.

Yes there are two deaths in scripture. Too much of what you have written here is based on assumptionand not scripture. The soul and the spirit are not the same; the soul needs to be changed; and yes the lake of Divine purging will do that but not forever and ever according to a mistranslation. But the spirit always returns to God because all of us are spiritual beings initially.

Let me talk about the second death which is a spiritual death and has nothing to do with the Teutonic pagan word hell. The second death is only mentioned in the Book of Revelation where John was in "Spirit" on the Lords day" no where does it say John was being literal. Revelation should not be taken literal for it is the most spiritual book in scripture.

But the second death is not a negative death it is the first death where the real problem lies. "The first Adam died to God and righteousness, and became alive unto sin. The last Adam died unto sin (Rom. 6:10), and liveth unto God, and so fulfilleth all righteousness. The first made all men sinners, the last makes all men righteous. The lives and the deaths of the two Adams are thus greatly contrasting the one to the other.

The FIRST DEATH was a transition from life to death, the SECOND DEATH is a transition from corruption to incorruption, from mortality to immortality.

Transformed from the carnal mind to the spiritual mind, which is life and peace, which transformation is wrought by a dying out to the one realm, to come alive to the higher realm. Because -- the second death is prepared to purge out and burn away sin and its results, and so doing cleanse all of God's universe.

Death came as an enemy, the fruitage of an act of disobedience that turned man away from God and into the realm of carnality, minding self and flesh. Now God makes death overcome itself.

It is by death that death is rendered powerless, and there arises an upspringing, a new life.

It takes death to destroy death, and thus Christ 'did taste death for every man' --'that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage' (Heb. 2:9, 14-15). Since we are all under the effects of the first death, it is appointed unto us to die once more -- not physical death, we are already in a state of mortality -- but now a dying out to this present death state. We conquer this death of the carnal mind by dying to it -- only God could use such a process bringing victory, but praise God, lie is destroying the first death with the second death"

[Benoni]

It has been pointed out to me that what goes to Hell or Heaven are our souls. How is it possible for a soul to feel physical pain?

There is no evidence for Hell. They made it up. It's just a story used to motivate those who find no motivation in right conduct.

You are correct there is no place called hell it is a Teutonic pagan word. I do believe in the three Greek words Hades, Gehenna and Tartatus, and the Hebrew Sheol; but they simple mean the place of the dead.


NOTICE a scriptural referene: New Testament reference by Ballantine (1934) which contain footnotes, marginal readings and appendages which point out that several key Greek and Hebrew words regarding Hell have been MIStranslated by such Bible versions as the King James Bible.

I have a list of Bibles which show the translations that contain the word Hell as well as the ones that don’t in the text is NOT exhaustive--we are discovering more translations all the time in which the translators did not feel justified in using the Teutonic pagan word Hell to translate the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek words Gehenna, Hades, and Tartarus.

You are right the word hell is not in Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic the language the Bible was written in; but it comes from an Angle Saxon word “hel� meaning to bury. It is more then a mis-translation it a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to in introduce the Teutonic pagan word

So why do you believe God would do such a evil thing to billions of his creation?

Tar-ta-rus (tart rs) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1 an infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils not people. (mentioned only once in the Bible)

Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a) the home of the dead, beneath the earth b) the god of the underworld 2 Bible the state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament

She-ol (eol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] a place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead Note: translated in KJV about haft of scriptures as hell, the other haft as grave
Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the gospel. This is the word the fundamental preachers love to use to burn up the sinner. They are the first to yell foul if something does not fit in context; BUT: Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem; a place of constant burning of refuge. Those who go to Gehenna are not sinners of the world; but are sinners of God’s people. (how precious is this a type of purification outside of God’s holy city. All things that are not of God will be purified bf God’s holy judgment. This word is used not for sinner, murders or liars; it is used with the word “BROTHER�.

Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.


Gehenna is not physical flames, even though Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem. Gehenna Judgment is actually spiritual in nature, it is the reaping of what Isreal had sown by killing the prophets and their children in the fire to Molech and Baal at Topheth and in the Valley of Ben Hiddom (later called Gehenna). God warned that He is the only God, there is no other like Him.

[Benoni]

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There are two deaths . . . .

<snip preaching>

Of course you can substantiate all of this with something other than bible quotes, realizing this a debate forum not a podium for preaching.

Again. With out the Bible to which this discussion is centered on what is the use of debating. I do not believe in phyical pain in hell; God is a spirit why does God need to lower Him self and use something phyical to accomplish His will. The reason I do not believe in hell is because God is a just God and has no reason for such a place. I do believe in the Lake of Fire; but it is not eternal as mistranslated and it is spiritual in nature.

[Misty]

Many Christian fundamentalists seem to get off on relishing the idea of painful tortures in hell for the non-believer. My sadistic paternal grandmother took a delight in describing them to me from the age of two years. I had unpleasant nightmares throughout my childhood.

[Slopeshoulder]

For the sake of this discussion, we assume there is a place called Hell, where some people (which people is irrelevant here) go after they die.

Every time I've heard about Hell, it was all about physical pain. Fire, torture, eternal agony. But how can we experience pain after we've died? Our brains cease to work, our neurones die. Our nerves no longer transmit signals. It is observable that a dead person can feel no pain. Otherwise, autopsies would be a terribly inhumane practice.

How can we feel pain, even in Hell, if our brains no longer function?

It has been pointed out to me that what goes to Hell or Heaven are our souls. How is it possible for a soul to feel physical pain?

For the sake of this discussion, we assume there is a place called Hell, where some people (which people is irrelevant here) go after they die.

Every time I've heard about Hell, it was all about physical pain. Fire, torture, eternal agony. But how can we experience pain after we've died? Our brains cease to work, our neurones die. Our nerves no longer transmit signals. It is observable that a dead person can feel no pain. Otherwise, autopsies would be a terribly inhumane practice.

How can we feel pain, even in Hell, if our brains no longer function?

It has been pointed out to me that what goes to Hell or Heaven are our souls. How is it possible for a soul to feel physical pain?

There are two deaths that some must suffer, the first is the physical death, which is that of the body, and all must suffer the first death, even those who are translated in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter, into glorious incorruptible bodies of Light.

The only ones who are tormented in the fires of hell, See Revelation 20: 10; are the beast, the false prophet, and the Devil, where they will be tormented forever and ever. But according to Revelation 21: 7-9; the cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral etc suffer the second death in the fires of hell.

The second death is when the mind/spirit that has developed within the physical bodies, from the experiences and information taken in through the senses of the body, is separated from the eternal universal soul/life-force, which is the divine animating principle that pervades and animates the entire universal body, activating all therein. Once the body has been returned to the universal elements from which it was created and the mind/spirit has been separated from the eternal universal life-force, there can be no more pain and suffering.

Fear not man, who can kill your body, but can then do no more to you, (the mind/spirit that has developed within that body,) but fear He who can divide the mind/spirit that is you, from the universal soul/life-force.

Wow. If there has ever been an example of fiction, fantasy, and foaming passing itself off as reason, fact, and (psuedo) science, this has got to be it.
Where in god's good earth did you get this malarachy?

Note to readers: no one alive has any idea whatsoever what happens after death. Religions offer metaphoric visions, not detailed and stratified programmatic accounts like the nonsense quoted here.
BTW, for fantasy, I prefer Tolkein. But I do this give this points for imagination; it would make a good video game.

[Benoni]

I too was brought up on the concept of eternal hell; it never made any sense to me. Why would Jesus the lamb of God need to do such a terrible thing? We are suppose to seek ask and knock as Christians? But most just stay in their little religious box and puppet what they have been taught. The Wrath of God is the "wrath of the lamb". Have you ever seen a lamb get angry?

So much of the Bible has been influnced by bias religous man who changed simple key words and have mistranslate.d scripture to promote their bias. Words like hell which most new Bible translators do not even put in their text becasue it is a mistranlation. Or the word Greek words aion which do not mean eternal, everlasting and forever and ever but simply an age.

But let me quote my sister. "My Bible says there is a hell so that means there is a hell".

Many Christian fundamentalists seem to get off on relishing the idea of painful tortures in hell for the non-believer. My sadistic paternal grandmother took a delight in describing them to me from the age of two years. I had unpleasant nightmares throughout my childhood.