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cnorman18 wrote:Apparently the religious do not have a monopoly on mental myopia.richardP wrote:
No, I don't intend to debate this. It's as pointless as discussing evolution with a fundamentalist.
You, personally, can confirm and prove that 9/11 was an inside job? You're willing to make that claim, and claim further that you can personally testify to its truth?richardP wrote:You miss the whole point because you, like so many others, are hopelessly brainwashed to dismiss ANY sort of impropriety by the Pentagon. My point is that I PARTICIPATED in a few of these things. I WAS THERE AND I SAW IT.cnorman18 wrote:Lost me right about there.richardP wrote:
....The attack on 9/11 was an inside job which served to get the American public in support of Pentagon adventures....
It's not so much that crazy conspiracy theories are laughably untenable; it's that those who believe in them regard them as obviously and inarguably true and dismiss all those who don't buy their paranoia and irrationality as either fools or dupes or both. That, and it's a short step from this to the dancing Israelis and the usual, centuries-old Jews-run-the-world nonsense. If Bush and Cheney were such brilliant and heinously evil schemers, why aren't they still running the country? Give me a break.
No, I don't intend to debate this. It's as pointless as discussing evolution with a fundamentalist.
It isn't conjecture, second hand reporting, or a theory. I WAS THERE.
You may be right. It is indeed pointless trying to discuss such things when participants in a blog are brain dead.
Is there a problem with your reading skills? Did you read my post AT ALL? My last post said that I participated "in a few of these things".....not ALL of them.cnorman18 wrote:You, personally, can confirm and prove that 9/11 was an inside job? You're willing to make that claim, and claim further that you can personally testify to its truth?richardP wrote:You miss the whole point because you, like so many others, are hopelessly brainwashed to dismiss ANY sort of impropriety by the Pentagon. My point is that I PARTICIPATED in a few of these things. I WAS THERE AND I SAW IT.cnorman18 wrote:Lost me right about there.richardP wrote:
....The attack on 9/11 was an inside job which served to get the American public in support of Pentagon adventures....
It's not so much that crazy conspiracy theories are laughably untenable; it's that those who believe in them regard them as obviously and inarguably true and dismiss all those who don't buy their paranoia and irrationality as either fools or dupes or both. That, and it's a short step from this to the dancing Israelis and the usual, centuries-old Jews-run-the-world nonsense. If Bush and Cheney were such brilliant and heinously evil schemers, why aren't they still running the country? Give me a break.
No, I don't intend to debate this. It's as pointless as discussing evolution with a fundamentalist.
It isn't conjecture, second hand reporting, or a theory. I WAS THERE.
You may be right. It is indeed pointless trying to discuss such things when participants in a blog are brain dead.
By all means, blow the whistle. Call the New York Times, CNN, ABC, CBS, and even Fox News. Let everybody hear your testimony. No doubt you'll appear before a Congressional committee before next week is out.
Everyone has been waiting for even one participant in this huge conspiracy to come forward and confirm it. Go for it. You'll be a hero to the Truthers and make millions from the book you write.
Watch out for Rule 5. You made the claim; now back it up.
Perhaps you should check your own reading skills. Read my post again; I referred ONLY to your remark about 9/11, and that remark is the ONLY one to which you could be responding. I said nothing about any of your other allegations, and I say nothing about them now.richardP wrote:Is there a problem with your reading skills? Did you read my post AT ALL? My last post said that I participated "in a few of these things".....not ALL of them.cnorman18 wrote:You, personally, can confirm and prove that 9/11 was an inside job? You're willing to make that claim, and claim further that you can personally testify to its truth?richardP wrote:You miss the whole point because you, like so many others, are hopelessly brainwashed to dismiss ANY sort of impropriety by the Pentagon. My point is that I PARTICIPATED in a few of these things. I WAS THERE AND I SAW IT.cnorman18 wrote:Lost me right about there.richardP wrote:
....The attack on 9/11 was an inside job which served to get the American public in support of Pentagon adventures....
It's not so much that crazy conspiracy theories are laughably untenable; it's that those who believe in them regard them as obviously and inarguably true and dismiss all those who don't buy their paranoia and irrationality as either fools or dupes or both. That, and it's a short step from this to the dancing Israelis and the usual, centuries-old Jews-run-the-world nonsense. If Bush and Cheney were such brilliant and heinously evil schemers, why aren't they still running the country? Give me a break.
No, I don't intend to debate this. It's as pointless as discussing evolution with a fundamentalist.
It isn't conjecture, second hand reporting, or a theory. I WAS THERE.
You may be right. It is indeed pointless trying to discuss such things when participants in a blog are brain dead.
By all means, blow the whistle. Call the New York Times, CNN, ABC, CBS, and even Fox News. Let everybody hear your testimony. No doubt you'll appear before a Congressional committee before next week is out.
Everyone has been waiting for even one participant in this huge conspiracy to come forward and confirm it. Go for it. You'll be a hero to the Truthers and make millions from the book you write.
Watch out for Rule 5. You made the claim; now back it up.
I have no problem believing in any of those, and I'm quite sure that all those are true, not only of the Pentagon but of government in general. But the 9/11 "inside job" conspiracy theory is an accusation that is orders of magnitude beyond those.
....I KNOW that the Pentagon is capable of misinformation, murder of our own citizens, and illegal international adventures because I HAVE SEEN some first hand.
Did someone say it was?
And I am discovering that theists as well as atheists have a mental block about it...so apparently this isn't a spiritual issue is it?
Brilliant. Epic. +1.cnorman18 wrote: Sorry. Cynicism is a drug that I use in recreational amounts only. It's toxic in bulk, for the individual's mental health and for that of the body politic.
richardP wrote:If you had simply quoted me I would have no objections, however what you did was what is called quote mining in which you altered my quote so it would say what you wished it to say. The ends do not justify the means, quote mining of anyone is wrong and by its nature deceitful.Wyvern wrote:Well EXCUUUSSSEEE MEE.richardP wrote:Amazing, you complain how the US tried to drag the Soviets into a conflict but you have no problem trying to do the same thing to me by quote mining. It does not matter whether you were trying to debate me on a subject however by misrepresenting what I have written and making it appear as if I have views which I do not hold you make it necessary for me to get involved in a situation I otherwise would not bother with. If you are going to complain about something you should not employ the same tactics.Wyvern wrote:I was not attempting to debate you on the point; either in support or oppostion. The quote was used as an epigraph to head my statement.richardP wrote:A classic example of quote mining, whether intentional or not. This makes it look as if I made this claim but if you look at the thread I was refuting that point and in fact used some of the same examples as you.Wyvern wrote:... the U.S. has killed more people than any other country since the end of WW2...
I personally participated in two operations by the US military in 1972 & 1973. In '72 the military attempted (on two occasions) to involve America in an incident with the (then) Soviet Union by causing them to kill us (American service men). Fortunately both attempts failed, otherwise I wouldn't be sitting here writing this. In 1973 my unit assisted in a coup in Chili in S.A. which resulted in hundreds of innocent deaths (a few of them were Americans).
Who cares right? As my mother used to say, "my country right or wrong." The Germans under Hitler used to say the same thing.
Next time I'll just quote you and not use your name. Geez.
richardP wrote:In 1973 my unit assisted in a coup in Chili in S.A. which resulted in hundreds of innocent deaths (a few of them were Americans).
The first WTC bombing was when Clinton was president. IMHO, Bin Laden & Co. are simply a continuation of the war against us infidels that's been going on since 611 AD. We are the target because we are the biggest barrier to the Islamofascists getting their way.richardP wrote:Somebody wrote:
I have no problem believing in any of those, and I'm quite sure that all those are true, not only of the Pentagon but of government in general. But the 9/11 "inside job" conspiracy theory is an accusation that is orders of magnitude beyond those.
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Despite the fact that legitimate sources have been asking for a meticulous investigation, I wasn't referring to the general conspiracy notion that bombs were planted in the WTC buildings.
I used my own experience as well as the track record of the Pentagon and Executive branch to state my own assumption. The 9/11 attacks were a response by al qaeda to US goads. Bin Laden himself said so. The only question which ought to be deeply considered is whether they were the result of State Dept. ineptitude (George Bush inept ?? - never), neglect from poor intelligence (stated by the media), or that US goads were intentional (my belief).
Sorry, still lost me. "The Media" is there to make a profit. Any news organization that could prove that the Bush/Cheney "axis" either actively planned and participated in, or deliberately and knowingly allowed 9/11 to happen, would make millions and be all but worshipped as the sole reliable channel for truth in the US. Any individual journalist who could prove that case would be lionized for life as well as wealthy, e.g. Woodward and Bernstein. When "The Media" universally ignore something, there's generally a reason, and that reason is NOT - not EVER - a huge conspiracy involving thousands of people who apparently entered the profession of journalism in order to CONCEAL the truth from the public. No more could all those people be universally coerced or bribed to keep all their mouths shut. That way lies madness, my friend. That's even more wildly unlikely than the conspiracy itself.richardP wrote:Somebody wrote:
I have no problem believing in any of those, and I'm quite sure that all those are true, not only of the Pentagon but of government in general. But the 9/11 "inside job" conspiracy theory is an accusation that is orders of magnitude beyond those.
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Despite the fact that legitimate sources have been asking for a meticulous investigation, I wasn't referring to the general conspiracy notion that bombs were planted in the WTC buildings.
I used my own experience as well as the track record of the Pentagon and Executive branch to state my own assumption. The 9/11 attacks were a response by al qaeda to US goads. Bin Laden himself said so. The only question which ought to be deeply considered is whether they were the result of State Dept. ineptitude (George Bush inept ?? - never), neglect from poor intelligence (stated by the media), or that US goads were intentional (my belief).
According to my own experience, the Pentagon is not above sacrificing the lives of American citizens to further its agenda abroad. I've seen it on a small scale personally and have no doubt at all that such ambitions and actions are escalating to alarming levels.
Isn't that something to seriously consider and investigate on our own? A modicum of doubt is indeed wise, but sticking one's head in the sand in the act of refusing to acknowledge the possibility is dangerous to our way of life.
All I ask is for the reader to seriously consider the possibility and to do their own homework. The data is out there, despite the efforts of our media to hide it and the increasing amount of time spent in the substitution of editorializing for news. Each of us is capable of listening and thinking for ourselves; we don't need the media to tell us what to think.
Believe my words or reject them out of hand. All I ask is that the reader do his or her homework. Dig a little.
