jesus:son of god????

silvercloud · Post by **silvercloud** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:43 pm

AM NEW ERE..I THUD I'LL JOIN, ITS AN INTERESTIN FORUM...

i personally don't believ jesus is de son of god...am a muslim maself,but if any christian has clear evidence 2 it plz tel me wer in bible does it say it..provide ur evidence wth chapter n verse THX:).....

SpiritQuickens · Post by **SpiritQuickens** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:52 pm

silvercloud wrote:AM NEW ERE..I THUD I'LL JOIN, ITS AN INTERESTIN FORUM...

i personally don't believ jesus is de son of god...am a muslim maself,but if any christian has clear evidence 2 it plz tel me wer in bible does it say it..provide ur evidence wth chapter n verse THX:).....

41(AW) Now while the Pharisees(AX) were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, 42saying, "What do you think about(AY) the Christ? Whose son is he?" They said to him, "The son of David." 43He said to them, "How is it then that David,(AZ) in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,
44(BA) "'The Lord said to my Lord,Sit at my right hand,
until I put your enemies under your feet'?

45If then David calls him Lord,(BB) how is he his son?" 46(BC) And no one was able to answer him a word,(BD) nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions."-Matthew 22:41-46.

"62And the high priest stood up and said, "Have you no answer to make? What is it that these men testify against you?" 63(CS) But Jesus remained silent.(CT) And the high priest said to him,(CU) "I adjure you by(CV) the living God,(CW) tell us if you are(CX) the Christ,(CY) the Son of God." 64Jesus said to him, (CZ) "You have said so. But I tell you, from now on(DA) you will see the Son of Man(DB) seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.""-Matthew 26:62-64.

SpiritQuickens · Post by **SpiritQuickens** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:07 pm

silvercloud wrote:AM NEW ERE..I THUD I'LL JOIN, ITS AN INTERESTIN FORUM...

i personally don't believ jesus is de son of god...am a muslim maself,but if any christian has clear evidence 2 it plz tel me wer in bible does it say it..provide ur evidence wth chapter n verse THX:).....

Here's another:

"15He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16Simon Peter replied,(A) "You are(B) the Christ,(C) the Son of(D) the living God." 17And Jesus answered him, (E) "Blessed are you,(F) Simon Bar-Jonah! For(G) flesh and blood has not revealed this to you,(H) but my Father who is in heaven."-Matt. 16:15-17.

Heterodoxus · Post by **Heterodoxus** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:18 pm

In each of the cited Judaism-influenced and pro-Catholic passages, Jesus neither stated nor implied that he was, in fact, the son of "God" (Yahweh, aka: Jehovah). This belief was assumed or stated by a lifelong follower(s) of Judaism other than Jesus.

Paul2 · Post by **Paul2** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:40 am

silvercloud,

silvercloud wrote:i personally don't believ jesus is de son of god...am a muslim maself,but if any christian has clear evidence 2 it plz tel me wer in bible does it say it..provide ur evidence wth chapter n verse THX:).....

Mark 14:61,62:
...the chief priest inquired of Him and is saying to Him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of God, the Blessed?" Now Jesus said, "I am..."

Paul

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:30 am

Paul2 wrote:silvercloud,

silvercloud wrote:i personally don't believ jesus is de son of god...am a muslim maself,but if any christian has clear evidence 2 it plz tel me wer in bible does it say it..provide ur evidence wth chapter n verse THX:).....
Mark 14:61,62:
...the chief priest inquired of Him and is saying to Him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of God, the Blessed?" Now Jesus said, "I am..."

Paul

Don't you love when they change translatons, and add phrases.

In the KJV, the phrase 'Son of God' does not exist. OMG.. Someone added a phrase and changed religious texts.

puddleglum · Post by **puddleglum** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:48 am

Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am." John 8:58 ESV.
If you read Exodus 3 you will find that when God first appeared to Moses he called himself "I Am."

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:35 pm

theophilus40 wrote:Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am." John 8:58 ESV.
If you read Exodus 3 you will find that when God first appeared to Moses he called himself "I Am."

That must mean that Poppi the sailor man is God.

If you read Jon 8:58 in context, the previous paragraphs are talking about how great god is, how God is greater than anybody. This is a claim by Jesus that he is greater than Abraham.. not that he is God.

Paul2 · Post by **Paul2** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:28 pm

goat,

goat wrote: Someone added a phrase and changed religious texts.

Or a phrase was accidentally omitted in the manuscript underlying the KJV.

I doubt that the KJV is perfect and I doubt that the version I use is perfect. Both versions have Jesus claiming to be the son of God in Mark 14:62. "Son of God" and "son of the Blessed" are equivalent in meaning.

goat wrote:This is a claim by Jesus that he is greater than Abraham.. not that he is God.

I agree. If his opponents had understood him to be making a claim that he was God, this should have been the main charge against him at his trial and there would have been no shortage of witnesses against him on that charge.

Paul

JoshC · Post by **JoshC** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:48 pm

No one can prove that Jesus wasn't referring to himself as the "son of God" in the same way Christians do to imply they were created by him.

I guess that's where the miracles come in.

I've always liked the idea of a teenage girl, in 2009, coming home to her fiancÃ© and mum then telling them she was pregnant but ("I'm still a virgin mum!") and ("I didn't sleep with anyone else!"). Then later informing them an angel had appeared in front of her to tell her she was having a special baby and was to name it Geoff.

I don't think she'd get away with it quite as easy as Mary.

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