Are Christians called to public relations?

cholland · Post by **cholland** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:30 am

Pope Benedict: "My visit to Jordan gives me a welcome opportunity to speak of my deep respect for the Muslim community, and to pay tribute to the leadership shown by His Majesty the King in promoting a better understanding of the virtues proclaimed by Islam."

Is this respect for their sincerity in their beliefs or the beliefs themselves? Are we to find neutral ground in order to worship the same God? Or are we called to something higher in which the gospel is supreme and expect ridicule, accusations of hate, and separation from the world?

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:24 pm

cnorman,

[21] Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
[22] Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
[24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.[25] Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
[26] I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
[27] They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

If you don't believe in him
you will die in your sins.
He had no problem telling this to anyone, including Jews.
Is this what you call humble?

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:29 pm

cnorman18 wrote:

Are you saying that there is no such thing as a self-righteous Christian?

Yes, I am.
If anyone claims to be self righteous
then by definition, they are not Christian.

Do you know of any Christian
(you can include the bible as well)
that has claimed to be self-righteous?
I know you feel that way,
but have you ever heard it from a Christian?

cnorman18 · Post by **cnorman18** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:14 pm

InTheFlesh wrote:cnorman18 wrote:
Are you saying that there is no such thing as a self-righteous Christian?
Yes, I am.
If anyone claims to be self righteous
then by definition, they are not Christian.

If anyone was looking for an example of the good old "no true Scotsman" fallacy - well, here you go.

It must be wonderful to belong to a community of people who do not possess that flaw.

Do you know of any Christian
(you can include the bible as well)
that has claimed to be self-righteous?
I know you feel that way,
but have you ever heard it from a Christian?

Have I heard a Christian announce "I am self-righteous"? Gee, no, I haven't.

Have a met a few who claimed to be RIGHTEOUS, and more righteous than others, and morally better than others, and spiritually more discerning and sensitive and knowledgable, and holier and more charitable and closer to God?

Well, yes, I have.

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:50 pm

cnorman18 wrote:If anyone was looking for an example of the good old "no true Scotsman" fallacy - well, here you go.

I don't understand?
Is that your way of avoiding the point?
You used self righteous out of context.
Please point out the fallacy in my statement?
I was saying
that all Christians I have ever heard
believe that Christ died for their sins.
They know salvation is not by their own works.
So how are they self-righteous?
On the other hand
someone who feels
they are a "good" person
and needs not cleansing
is by definition "self righteous".

Have I heard a Christian announce "I am self-righteous"? Gee, no, I haven't.

But I have heard several Atheists on this board announce it.
Aren't you one of them?
Wait, you believe in God right?

Have a met a few who claimed to be RIGHTEOUS, and more righteous than others, and morally better than others, and spiritually more discerning and sensitive and knowledgable, and holier and more charitable and closer to God?

Well, yes, I have.

As long as it's not self
than I don't have a problem.
Anyone who believes
in the Word of God
can fall into that statement.

And keep in mind this is the doctrine sub forum, you are adding nothing of substance for debate.

cnorman18 · Post by **cnorman18** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:26 pm

InTheFlesh wrote:
cnorman18 wrote:If anyone was looking for an example of the good old "no true Scotsman" fallacy - well, here you go.
I don't understand?
Is that your way of avoiding the point?
You used self righteous out of context.
Please point out the fallacy in my statement?
I was saying
that all Christians I have ever heard
believe that Christ died for their sins.
They know salvation is not by their own works.
So how are they self-righteous?
On the other hand
someone who feels
they are a "good" person
and needs not cleansing
is by definition "self righteous".
Have I heard a Christian announce "I am self-righteous"? Gee, no, I haven't.
But I have heard several Atheists on this board announce it.
Aren't you one of them?
Wait, you believe in God right?
Have a met a few who claimed to be RIGHTEOUS, and more righteous than others, and morally better than others, and spiritually more discerning and sensitive and knowledgable, and holier and more charitable and closer to God?

Well, yes, I have.
As long as it's not self
than I don't have a problem.
Anyone who believes
in the Word of God
can fall into that statement.

And keep in mind this is the doctrine sub forum, you are adding nothing of substance for debate.

You're right; I'm talking about attitudes and actions, not doctrines. Different priorities. Sorry.

Later.

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:55 pm

Do you not offer the same attitudes and actions?

Or are you back to that I'm better than thou attitude?
Self-righteous will get you knowhere my friend.
Sorry it bothers you that we are not all on such a high level of attitude and actions as yourself.

Later.

cnorman18 · Post by **cnorman18** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:18 pm

InTheFlesh wrote:Do you not offer the same attitudes and actions?
Or are you back to that I'm better than thou attitude?
Self-righteous will get you knowhere my friend.
Sorry it bothers you that we are not all on such a high level of attitude and actions as yourself.

Later.

I have nowhere suggested that my description of a self-righteous Christian applies to you; I don't know that it does.

But let the record show that you have here insulted me directly, and I don't think you had warrant to do that. If I've ever alleged anywhere that I'm better or more righteous or more correct in my beliefs than anyone else, please post the quote.

Otherwise, I think an apology is in order.

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:48 pm

I have nowhere suggested that my description of a self-righteous Christian

Can you share your description of a self righteous Christian?
Curious to see if it applies to me.
My description of a self righteous person applies to you.

FinalEnigma · Post by **FinalEnigma** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:53 pm

InTheFlesh wrote: My description of a self righteous person applies to you.

Would you stop that, please?

I don't feel the need to report you, but telling someone that they are self righteous is obviously against the rules.

cnorman18 · Post by **cnorman18** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:58 pm

InTheFlesh wrote:
I have nowhere suggested that my description of a self-righteous Christian
Can you share your description of a self righteous Christian?
Curious to see if it applies to me.
My description of a self righteous person applies to you.

No, I think we're done.

I politely inform you that you have insulted me without reason, and you repeat the insult without justifying it.

Have a nice day - and you might want to read the part over again about paying attention to the way people see you. It's called "public relations."

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