were did the doctrine of the trinity REALLY come form?

[peter d roman]

it did NOT come from Our Christ-

it did NOT come from peter the rock-

were did it come form and what is it going to take for "triaterains " to see this most grave ERROR and REPENT!?!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

[InTheFlesh]

My

Deut.6
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Mark.12
[29] And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

My

John.20
[28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

The bible is pretty clear
that there is only ONE God.
If you say God the Father
God the Son
and God the Holy Spirit
are not the same God
then you are saying there are 3 Gods?

The "3 persons" theory is not taught by the bible.
The 3 make up ONE person.

God is like us.
Actually, we are like him.
Do we call ourselves trinitarians?
No, we are ONE person.
Body, soul and spirit.
The Lord our God is ONE.
There is only ONE throne, and ONE on it!

[Ankhhape]

The bible is pretty clear that there is only ONE

Yeah, as clear as mud . . .
Actually the bible mentions many gods... Adrammelech, Ashima, Ashtoreth, Baal-berith, Baal-peor, Baal-zebub, Baalim, Bel, Chemosh, Dagon, Diana of the Ephesians, Jupiter, Mercurius, Milcom, Molech, Nebo, Nergal, Nibhaz, Nisroch, Rimmon, Succoth-benoth, Tammuz, Tartak to name a few.

All the Ten Commandments state is that "Do not have any other gods before me."

[peter d roman]

i have heard the trinity described as you did over much of the course of my life and for the most part i just have accepted the teaching as mysterious and harmless enough-

that is until these past few years-

now i see the teaching as harmful and intentionally deleterious like spiritual opium-

as long as one draws on the pipe all is well- put it down and it calls you back- but if one don't respond to its call it punishes the smoker with withdraws...

God IS ONE.

Our Christ IS ONE with God.

all else is falsehood teaching-

what makes my wounder most is that when i say this i am accused of denying the gift of the holy spirit- when what i am doing is denying its divinity and co-Godness.

thanks for your reply-

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

My

Deut.6
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Mark.12
[29] And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

My

John.20
[28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

The bible is pretty clear
that there is only ONE God.
If you say God the Father
God the Son
and God the Holy Spirit
are not the same God
then you are saying there are 3 Gods?

The "3 persons" theory is not taught by the bible.
The 3 make up ONE person.

God is like us.
Actually, we are like him.
Do we call ourselves trinitarians?
No, we are ONE person.
Body, soul and spirit.
The Lord our God is ONE.
There is only ONE throne, and ONE on it!

[InTheFlesh]

The trinity comes from the bible.

1John.5
[7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

three are one = trinity.
just like a cell.

[Ankhhape]

Trinities have existed wayyyyy before the Bible.

[Scotracer]

The trinity comes from the bible.

1John.5
[7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

three are one = trinity.
just like a cell.

Ah the Trinity analogy! Long-time-no-see.

There's been a number of attempts at creating coherent analogies for this bundle of beliefs.

For instance, the water analogy falls foul by implying that the 3 "Godlets" that make up the Godhead would be just different states of the same thing - they could interchange. The egg analogy (white, yolk & shell) falls foul by a piece on its own not representing the whole (i.e. the yolk =/= egg). Another one I've seen is the Social Analogy of a Family - 3 individual people (a dad, a mum and a son/daughter) create a whole. But on their own, the son =/= family, mum =/= family and dad =/= family. There are others but they all fall apart somewhere.

I wish they'd just admit it - it's a bundle of nonsense!

[peter d roman]

john IS NOT Our Savior Brother and anyone could have penned anything under his name-

if you can show me were Our Savior Brother said Holy Spirit is more then a tool - a vehicle to deliver Gods Powers i will look into it- but there is none because the spirit that comes to us in the human world from a directed purpose is doing so because of Gods Will not its own.

please reread the second reply- if you can look at it objectively and do the follow up research you will see " something stinky has been going on from that teaching"

even paul tells of " prices and powers " that believe they have some 'right' to interfere with human development-

riding in as " co-part " of God would give it lots of room to do harm in- look how many children have been raped by holy spirit blessed priests and how many wars that they have bless not to mention the long running inquisition!

peace and good and tons of love

quote="InTheFlesh"]The trinity comes from the bible.

1John.5
[7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

three are one = trinity.
just like a cell.[/quote]

[Catholily]

Ankhhape,

Trinities have existed wayyyyy before the Bible.

For example?
If you mean triads like Osiris-Isis-Horus or Amon-Mut-Khonsu, these were, well, triads (groups/families of three separate deities), not trinities (three in one and one in three).

[SpiritQuickens]

no - what you say is not so any longer-

it was true when the apostles peter, paul and the rest were sent out to redeem all in the world that WERE still under adam stain-

but with each new human birth following Our Savior Brothers Resurrection " adams stain had no more place".


those of the time of Yash'was Resurrection had to be baptized and reborn into a humble and faithful loving heart ;we bore AFTER Our Savior Brothers Resurrection are called to be HIS DISCIPLES and to learn directly from Him.

as The Holy Prophet said of that day THIS POST Resurrection DAY speaking for Our Father/ Our Savior Brother " behold I make ALL THINGS NEW again" so put your bible away while you are able!

as for Our Brothers DIRECT teaching on the scriptures value as it relates to DISCIPLESHIP in-the NOW - johns account states it best as Our Brother was in the temple area teaching HIS FOLLOWERS - He call there attention to those that Always looked to the scriptures and said " look at them there studying and search the scriptures AS IF there in they will find Salvation"!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

Our Savior Brother came to complete that what was held in the "old testament"- there is NOTHING left there for a DISCIPLE of Our Christ to learn from - if it come from there it is a false teaching.

He reduced the law to love and reopened the gates to Our Fathers Garden with our keys of Love , Compassion , Faith , and Hope.

God is ONE - Yash'wa Our Savior Brother by His Own ACCOUNT and DIRECT TEACHING IS One with Our Father -

we that FOLLOW HIM and His Way of Faithful Love become ONE with Our Father/ Our Savior Brother as well- NOW not in some after life.

thanks for your reply -

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

it did NOT come from Our Christ-

it did NOT come from peter the rock-

were did it come form and what is it going to take for "triaterains " to see this most grave ERROR and REPENT!?!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

It comes from the Bible. Check out the Christophanies of the Old Testament.

"Be on your guard before him and obey his voice; do not be rebellious toward him, for he will not pardon your transgression, since My name is in him."-Exodus 23:21

God the Father clearly indicates that God the Son is a separate entity with the third person "Him." That God's "Name" (nature, authority) is in Him rules out any kind of subordinationism or Arianism, and that Jesus is referred to as "Him" indicates some degree of separation, ruling out any kind of modalism (if they were just different manifestations of God, God could have easily said "I'm coming down there in the form of an angel").

I'm not talking about returning to the Law. I'm talking about learning from the Old Testament, which we're explicitly told to do.

We're to search the Old Testament to find Jesus, to verify various prophecies, etc (Zechariah 12:10-14, Isaiah 52:13-53, Daniel 9:24-29).

"And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself."-Luke 24:27

"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me"-John 5:39.

We're clearly encouraged to look back into the Old Testament. The examples of useful Old Testament references are too numerous to mention, but Paul gives us the general command:

"For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope."-Romans 15:4.

I'm confused. So we're not allowed to read the Old Testament anymore?

[peter d roman]

read what you like - but we are ether FOR Our Christ or we are against Him-

is it your belief that the old testament, the bible as a whole , every church doctrine and dogma born from the bibles both testaments are Our Christ?

i say they are not and never have they been nor sall they ever be He.

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

no - what you say is not so any longer-

it was true when the apostles peter, paul and the rest were sent out to redeem all in the world that WERE still under adam stain-

but with each new human birth following Our Savior Brothers Resurrection " adams stain had no more place".


those of the time of Yash'was Resurrection had to be baptized and reborn into a humble and faithful loving heart ;we bore AFTER Our Savior Brothers Resurrection are called to be HIS DISCIPLES and to learn directly from Him.

as The Holy Prophet said of that day THIS POST Resurrection DAY speaking for Our Father/ Our Savior Brother " behold I make ALL THINGS NEW again" so put your bible away while you are able!

as for Our Brothers DIRECT teaching on the scriptures value as it relates to DISCIPLESHIP in-the NOW - johns account states it best as Our Brother was in the temple area teaching HIS FOLLOWERS - He call there attention to those that Always looked to the scriptures and said " look at them there studying and search the scriptures AS IF there in they will find Salvation"!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

Our Savior Brother came to complete that what was held in the "old testament"- there is NOTHING left there for a DISCIPLE of Our Christ to learn from - if it come from there it is a false teaching.

He reduced the law to love and reopened the gates to Our Fathers Garden with our keys of Love , Compassion , Faith , and Hope.

God is ONE - Yash'wa Our Savior Brother by His Own ACCOUNT and DIRECT TEACHING IS One with Our Father -

we that FOLLOW HIM and His Way of Faithful Love become ONE with Our Father/ Our Savior Brother as well- NOW not in some after life.

thanks for your reply -

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

it did NOT come from Our Christ-

it did NOT come from peter the rock-

were did it come form and what is it going to take for "triaterains " to see this most grave ERROR and REPENT!?!

peace and good and tons o'love

>o

It comes from the Bible. Check out the Christophanies of the Old Testament.

"Be on your guard before him and obey his voice; do not be rebellious toward him, for he will not pardon your transgression, since My name is in him."-Exodus 23:21

God the Father clearly indicates that God the Son is a separate entity with the third person "Him." That God's "Name" (nature, authority) is in Him rules out any kind of subordinationism or Arianism, and that Jesus is referred to as "Him" indicates some degree of separation, ruling out any kind of modalism (if they were just different manifestations of God, God could have easily said "I'm coming down there in the form of an angel").

I'm not talking about returning to the Law. I'm talking about learning from the Old Testament, which we're explicitly told to do.

We're to search the Old Testament to find Jesus, to verify various prophecies, etc (Zechariah 12:10-14, Isaiah 52:13-53, Daniel 9:24-29).

"And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself."-Luke 24:27

"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me"-John 5:39.

We're clearly encouraged to look back into the Old Testament. The examples of useful Old Testament references are too numerous to mention, but Paul gives us the general command:

"For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope."-Romans 15:4.

I'm confused. So we're not allowed to read the Old Testament anymore?