Is the Bible open for interpretation to anyone ?

[BirdofPrey]

Sola Scriptura sounds like a sound aproach. But there's an interpreter involved. Is the Bible for everybody ? Why ?

I say, it's the only responsible way to handle things. Despite this, your interpretation is probably biased most of the time. Not only that, but there might be translation errors in it, some translations are purposefuly altered erorneously and you might simply lack the necessary information (about the context) to interpret it right.

But saying that 1 Timothy 2:5 (Young's Literal Translation)

for one [is] God, one also [is] mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus,

...leaves the door open for Mary as a mediator looks to me farfetched.

more on that here:
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... p?p=257424

Back to the original idea, does that Bible support this view ? Those saying no to this, are welcome to debate.

Extensive feedback encouraged and don't forget to look out for those question marks !

[chelbelle89]

Why cant the Bible interpret itself to us? God is not the author of confusion.

Actually, God did not write the Bible. It was written primarily (according to many religious and historical scholars) by Moses - the Tanach, or first books of the OT- and by Paul - most of the NT. Now, one could argue that God enlightened these men to write the books of the Bible, but with that said, why didn't God just write it himself rather than taking ahold of men(spiritually) and having them write it?

Man makes mistakes, and then writes history. If the Bible is written primarily by man, then we have to acknowledge that there are going to be certain aspects of it that have already been interpreted by the authors before we even read it! With that said, I do believe that a person with experience regarding religious doctrine and literature can interpret the word of God based on the overall beliefs and principals of his or her religion.

I also think it is our duty as followers of religions, or even those just curious, to interpret religious text ourselves. It helps us grow spiritually as well as religiously. To me a religious person would want to be in touch with God, not just follow His ways. The way to do that, in my opinion would be through personal communication with and interpretation of God and His word. (sorry I do not have any scriptures to back my assumptions. )

[OnceConvinced]

Why cant the Bible interpret itself to us? God is not the author of confusion.Were all suppose to see eye to eye and edify those that are not their yet.So as to achieve a certain harmony according to God not some man.

Obviously the bible does not interpret itself. Or if it does it comes up with different interpretations for everyone. There is no unity.

[BirdofPrey]

Or if it does it comes up with different interpretations for everyone. There is no unity.

and if also our good news is vailed, in those perishing it is vailed,

for the word of the cross to those indeed perishing is foolishness, and to us -- those being saved -- it is the power of God

we preach Christ crucified, to Jews, indeed, a stumbling-block, and to Greeks foolishness,

2 Corinthians 4:3, 1 Corinthians 1:18, 1 Corinthians 1:23 respectively.

It seems to me it was never meant to be any different. But why ?

because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:10

I can't explain why my threat on endorsed obscurity yielded no interest. It looks to me as it's a built in feature the more I think about this.

[todd_vetter33]

The bible is open to interpretation to everyone. It's mearly a book containing history. Some of it is true history and some of it is false history.

Example. Two prophecies for the same event allegedly spoken at the same time. Both are in your bible and only one is scripture. The scripture is not open to personal interpretation since what God spoke is what God will fulfill.

Matthew 16:21 KJV
[ Jesus Predicts His Death and Resurrection ] From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.

Mark 8:31 KJV
[ Jesus Predicts His Death and Resurrection ] And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.


The words describing the correct duration of time that Jesus spoke are scripture that can never be broken even if one of the bible verses records this moment in history incorrectly.

Only one of these verses can fit harmoniously with this next verse.

Matthew 12:40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

If this is what Christ spoke then this is what he fulfilled. It is scripture that can never be broken and it fits with the true verse of testimony which states Christ would rise again after three days. this allowed for Christ to be in the tomb for 3 literal days and 3 literal nights. Men are only touching the surface on how corrupt the bible (Catholic Doctrine) has been manipulated by history. See my next post.

To put this into full context I have developed a study at this link which tests the 3 main years and three days of the week that are disputed by theologens. I used the mulitple prophecies as a light to the bible confusion for this topic and what I found is that over 9 time specific prophecies point to a single day and year where 3 days and 3 nights is possible. I also found a great deal of ancient writings that support Christ fulfilling this prophecy.

The information can be found and shared freely at this link.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/p ... ection.pdf

God Bless

P.S. Page 37 illustrates why the entire Christian world is of the spirit of Anti-christ. They are not in spirit or in truth as the true worhsippers of God are to be.

Everything you need in writing to find the annointing can be found if you follow this link and seek truth. Though the presentation and information testify of Christ, you must still come to Christ or you are anti-christ.

[todd_vetter33]

Why cant the Bible interpret itself to us? God is not the author of confusion.Were all suppose to see eye to eye and edify those that are not their yet.So as to achieve a certain harmony according to God not some man.

Obviously the bible does not interpret itself. Or if it does it comes up with different interpretations for everyone. There is no unity.

The bible fulfills this prophecy of Jesus left out of the bible by Rome.

And he said unto us: There shall come forth another doctrine, and a confusion, and because they shall strive after their own advancement, they shall bring forth an unprofitable doctrine. And therein shall be a deadly corruption (of uncleanness), and they shall teach it, and shall turn away them that believe on me from my commandments and cut them off from eternal life. But woe unto them that falsify this my word and commandment, and draw away them that hearken to them from the life of the doctrine and separate themselves from the commandment of life: for together with them they shall come into everlasting judgment.

Rome also left this out and this is important if you are to live by every word that proceeded from the mouth of God.

4. All truth is in God, and I bear witness unto the truth. I am the true Rock, and on this Rock do I build my Church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it, and out of this Rock shall flow rivers of living water to give life to the peoples of the earth. 5. Ye are my chosen twelve. In me, the Head and Corner stone, are the twelve foundations of my house builded on the rock, and on you in me shall my Church be built, and in truth and righteousness shall my Church be established. 6. And ye shall sit on twelve thrones and send forth light and truth to all the twelve tribes of Israel after the Spirit, and I will be with you, even unto the end of the world. 7. But there shall arise after you, men of perverse minds who shall through ignorance or through craft, suppress many things which I have spoken unto you, and lay to me things which I never taught, sowing tares among the good wheat which I have given you to sow in the world. 8. Then shall the truth of God endure the contradiction of sinners, for thus it hath been, and thus it will be. But the time cometh when the things which they have hidden shall be revealed and made known, and the truth shall make free those which were bound. 9. One is your Master, all ye are brethren, and one is not greater than another in the place which I have given unto you, for ye have one Master, even Christ, who is over you and with you and in you, and there is no inequality among my twelve, or their fellows. 10. All are equally near unto me. Strive ye not therefore for the first place, for ye are all first, because ye are the foundation stones and pillars of the Church, built on the truth which is in me and in you, and the truth and the law shall ye establish for all, as shall be given unto you. 11. Verily when ye and your fellows agree together touching anything in my Name, I am in the midst of you and with you. 12. Woe is the time when the spirit of the world entereth into the Church, and my doctrines and precepts are made void through the corruption of men and of women. Woe is the world when the Light is hidden. Woe is the world when these things shall be.

This one from the bible confirms the words you just read to be true.

Jeremiah 16: 19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress, My refuge in the day of affliction, The Gentiles shall come to You From the ends of the earth and say, “Surely our fathers have inherited lies, Worthlessness and unprofitable things.� 20 Will a man make gods for himself, Which are not gods?

Christ said those of the truth will hear his voice. Can you? until then you have not yet heard the gospel or known the heavenly parent. For many centuries God has allowed many to be forever learning, but never coming to the truth because they seek that which is written instead of living that which is living. They make God's for themselves that are not God's. The holy spirit will teach and lead you to truth. Is the Spirit of God a book?

God Bless

[Heterodoxus]

The bible fulfills this prophecy of Jesus left out of the bible by Rome.

And he said unto us: There shall come forth another doctrine, and a confusion, and because they shall strive after their own advancement, they shall bring forth an unprofitable doctrine. And therein shall be a deadly corruption (of uncleanness), and they shall teach it, and shall turn away them that believe on me from my commandments and cut them off from eternal life. But woe unto them that falsify this my word and commandment, and draw away them that hearken to them from the life of the doctrine and separate themselves from the commandment of life: for together with them they shall come into everlasting judgment.

These are words of Jesus according to: (please cite your source here)?

[todd_vetter33]

The way to know these are words Christ spoke is this; Does history confirm every word? There is but one true Gospel and that is the voice of truth you will hear when you are of the truth. Satan will try to hide the truth from you in written testimonies of men. Seek God. Below you will find the link sources where I found the written information shared.

We have but to look at the entire Christian world from the outside looking in, to see the doctrinal confusions all claiming to be the truth, which can only be explained as differing in perception because they are built on half the truth. All are built on the bible, all speak according to the portions of the bible that they perceive to be the higher truth among the differing testimonies of men within the bible, yet none speak according to the Law and testimony (Isaiah 8:20), but God says if we build on him, the true Rock, we will be solid. Our perception of Solid when built on the bible comes from the “denominational tradition" we accept as the highest perception of Bible truth. The bible is not God for he does not live in things made with man's hands! Christ promised that those who are of the truth will hear his voice. So many today claim to be of the truth. Do they hear God's voice?

Lection XLIV : http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/g ... Lection440
The Confession of the Twelve Christ the True Rock
1. AGAIN Jesus sat near the sea, in a circle of twelve palm trees, where he oft resorted, and the Twelve and their fellows came unto him, and they sat under the shade of the trees, and the holy One’ taught them sitting in their midst. 2. And Jesus said unto them, Ye have heard what men in the world say concerning me, but whom do ye say that I am? Peter rose up with Andrew his brother and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God, who descendeth from heaven and dwelleth in the hearts of them who believe and obey unto righteousness. And the rest rose up and said, each after his own manner, These words are true, so we believe. 3. And Jesus answered them saying, Blessed are ye my twelve who believe, for flesh and blood hath not revealed this unto you, but the spirit of God which dwelleth in you. I indeed am the way, the Truth and the Life; and the Truth understandeth all things. 4. All truth is in God, and I bear witness unto the truth. I am the true Rock, and on this Rock do I build my Church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it, and out of this Rock shall flow rivers of living water to give life to the peoples of the earth. 5. Ye are my chosen twelve. In me, the Head and Corner stone, are the twelve foundations of my house builded on the rock, and on you in me shall my Church be built, and in truth and righteousness shall my Church be established. 6. And ye shall sit on twelve thrones and send forth light and truth to all the twelve tribes of Israel after the Spirit, and I will be with you, even unto the end of the world. 7. But there shall arise after you, men of perverse minds who shall through ignorance or through craft, suppress many things which I have spoken unto you, and lay to me things which I never taught, sowing tares among the good wheat which I have given you to sow in the world. 8. Then shall the truth of God endure the contradiction of sinners, for thus it hath been, and thus it will be. But the time cometh when the things which they have hidden shall be revealed and made known, and the truth shall make free those which were bound. 9. One is your Master, all ye are brethren, and one is not greater than another in the place which I have given unto you, for ye have one Master, even Christ, who is over you and with you and in you, and there is no inequality among my twelve, or their fellows. 10. All are equally near unto me. Strive ye not therefore for the first place, for ye are all first, because ye are the foundation stones and pillars of the Church, built on the truth which is in me and in you, and the truth and the law shall ye establish for all, as shall be given unto you. 11. Verily when ye and your fellows agree together touching anything in my Name, I am in the midst of you and with you. 12. Woe is the time when the spirit of the world entereth into the Church, and my doctrines and precepts are made void through the corruption of men and of women. Woe is the world when the Light is hidden. Woe is the world when these things shall be.

Jeremiah 16: 19-20
19 O LORD, my strength and my fortress, My refuge in the day of affliction, The Gentiles shall come to You From the ends of the earth and say, “Surely our fathers have inherited lies, Worthlessness and unprofitable things.� 20 Will a man make gods for himself, Which are not gods?


Verse 50: http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/apocrypha_nt/episaps.htm
And we asked him: Lord, shall such things be among us? And he answered us: Fear not; it shall not be in many, but in a few. We said unto him: Yet tell us, in what manner it shall come to pass. And he said unto us: There shall come forth another doctrine, and a confusion, and because they shall strive after their own advancement, they shall bring forth an unprofitable doctrine. And therein shall be a deadly corruption (of uncleanness), and they shall teach it, and shall turn away them that believe on me from my commandments and cut them off from eternal life. But woe unto them that falsify this my word and commandment, and draw away them that hearken to them from the life of the doctrine and separate themselves from the commandment of life: for together with them they shall come into everlasting judgment.

Very respectfully
Todd M. Vetter

[beloved57]

Jesus christ must open ones understanding to understand the scriptures:

lk 24:

44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,