Salvation is from the Jews

[Ben Masada]

SALVATION IS FROM THE JEWS - John 4:22

In "Salvation is from the Jews," Jesus meant to that Samaritan woman
much more than just what most of us understand that he meant himself.
He didn't. He meant the whole nation, the Jewish People. How's that?

Please, don't get startled with the following statement, because I'll
explain. If Israel existed before the Flood, this would not have
happened. Do you know why the Flood happened? Because "The Lord saw
how great was man's wickedness on earth, and how no desire that his
heart conceived was ever anything but evil. (Gen. 5:5)

After the Flood, God promised Noah that "Never again He would doom the
earth because of man. (Gen. 8:21) What about if man became wicked
again? How would God make good on His promise to Noah? Because Israel
was on the make with the rise of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Israel
would be the pledge to guarantee God's promise to Noah that the world
would be saved of another similar catastrophe. I believe that's what
Jesus had in mind when he told that Samaritan woman that salvation
is from the Jews. That's what keeps the world going.

Ben

[Jonah]

kadmon,

Most Jews, and all here I believe, would full heartily proclaim that Jews are not better than those of other cultures. That is entirely at the base of Jewish social justice action.

And indeed. Jews are very concerned about other Holocausts. That is entirely why Jews are so involved with the Darfur situation. Jews have even been self-critical for not paying enough attention to the Roma (Gypsies) and other minorities who were oppressed by the Third Reich in the first couple of decades after the war. Today, Jews are striving to correct that by being in the forefront of education on all holocausts including the Roma. Elie Wiesel has said we Jews were late in dealing with this in regard to the Roma, but now we are on it.

And why do you assume that any Jew here is a lock-step as you imagine in regard to Palestinians? American Jews put a lot of pressure on the State of Israel to get to the table, and to refrain from ugly civilian casualties. And there is pressure within Israel. And of course the situation is not some Jews are all one way or the other, but like any people with any issue, there are gradations. That said. The mass attrocities that Israel is accused of is political theatre.

So, if you have the need for most Jews to conform to some preconceived monster profile, reality is in your way.

[Kadmon]

kadmon,

Most Jews, and all here I believe, would full heartily proclaim that Jews are not better than those of other cultures. That is entirely at the base of Jewish social justice action.

And indeed. Jews are very concerned about other Holocausts. That is entirely why Jews are so involved with the Darfur situation. Jews have even been self-critical for not paying enough attention to the Roma (Gypsies) and other minorities who were oppressed by the Third Reich in the first couple of decades after the war. Today, Jews are striving to correct that by being in the forefront of education on all holocausts including the Roma. Elie Wiesel has said we Jews were late in dealing with this in regard to the Roma, but now we are on it.

And why do you assume that any Jew here is a lock-step as you imagine in regard to Palestinians? American Jews put a lot of pressure on the State of Israel to get to the table, and to refrain from ugly civilian casualties. And there is pressure within Israel. And of course the situation is not some Jews are all one way or the other, but like any people with any issue, there are gradations. That said. The mass attrocities that Israel is accused of is political theatre.

So, if you have the need for most Jews to conform to some preconceived monster profile, reality is in your way.

First I Don't Assume Anything This Is What I Said ~ First The Jews Are No Better Than Any Race / People On This Planet . And The Jews Are Not The Only Ones Who Had A [ Holocaust ] And They're Not Above Any Other Race On This Planet . And The Jews Are Doing The Same Thing To Palestinian They Said What Was Don't To Them . And No I'm Not Anti - Jew . Matter Fact All Jews Do Not Feel The Same About The Palestinian . Maybe You Should Check Out Democracy Now!.Org | Radio and TV News .

I Don't Go Around Accuseing Nor Do I Say Things That Can Be Back Up . Overstand , That Why I Gave The Link ( Democracy Now ! ,Org . ) It A Know Fact That The Jews Control 90% Of The Media , Meaning What Get Out . You Also Spoke A Hitler Right - Hitler Was A Christian And A Jew . So What Your Point . And As Far As Hearing About Other People Holocausts How Often Do You Hear About Them ? Overstand Something Everytime The Discussion Come Up About What The Jews Are Doing , The Subject Of The Holocausts/ Hitler Comes Up . And That Because It's Use As Tool To Flip / Script / Change The Subject / To Call Some One Anti-Semitic / Anti-Jew Etc . Like I Said Any Holocausts Against Any RACE Of People Is Bad . Now Let Me Say This Again Before You Get It TWISTED I'm Not Anti-Jew / Anti-Semite / Muslims / Christian Etc . These Are Labels Use Toward / Against Humanbeing ... To Put Themselves Above Other ,

Oh By The Way Have You Read Any Of [ Ben ] Post If So Is He Assumeing The Things He Post Yes Or Not .

[Jonah]

Well, it would appear you have a decided story down to a lot of well rehearsed detailed points.

The 90% control thing is "traditional" clap-trap. When I watch the cable news shows, I like to count up the IRISH.

Chris Matthews
Terrence O'Donnel
Nora O'Donnel
Kelly O'Donnel
Pat Buchanan
Tim & Luke Russert
Peggy Noonan
Bill O'Reilly

And the really weird thing is that none of the O'Donnels above are related to each other.

And I'm Irish. Erin Go Oy.

[Kadmon]

Well, it would appear you have a decided story down to a lot of well rehearsed detailed points.

The 90% control thing is "traditional" clap-trap. When I watch the cable news shows, I like to count up the IRISH.

Chris Matthews
Terrence O'Donnel
Nora O'Donnel
Kelly O'Donnel
Pat Buchanan
Tim & Luke Russert
Peggy Noonan
Bill O'Reilly

And the really weird thing is that none of the O'Donnels above are related to each other.

And I'm Irish. Erin Go Oy.

Let's Try This Ok Most Of You Religious Scholar / Authors / Theologian Who Write YouR Biblical Book Are Control By The Jews . LQQk Inside These Book And Tell Us Who Name In Them . LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Jonah]

What? Write English or Hebrew or German. Something. lol

The one thing I made out on one of your posts is that you were haltingly alluding to the khazzer riff. Then, I understood. That's straight from every White Supremacist web site on the net. I've seen it so many times, I think it now qualifies as a White Supremacist Liturgy.

[McCulloch]

Let's Try This Ok Most Of You Religious Scholar / Authors / Theologian Who Write YouR Biblical Book Are Control By The Jews . LQQk Inside These Book And Tell Us Who Name In Them . LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Let's try this ok? Most of your religious scholars, authors or theologians who write your Biblical Books are control by the Jews . Look inside these books and tell us who's name is in them . Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Luke? Mark? Paul (he makes a claim of being Jewish, but it is not that convincing to me). Could somebody let me in on the joke? Why all of the laugh out louds?

[Ben Masada]

SALVATION IS FROM THE JEWS - John 4:22

In "Salvation is from the Jews," Jesus meant to that Samaritan woman
much more than just what most of us understand that he meant himself.
He didn't. He meant the whole nation, the Jewish People. How's that?

Please, don't get startled with the following statement, because I'll
explain. If Israel existed before the Flood, this would not have
happened. Do you know why the Flood happened? Because "The Lord saw
how great was man's wickedness on earth, and how no desire that his
heart conceived was ever anything but evil. (Gen. 5:5)

After the Flood, God promised Noah that "Never again He would doom the
earth because of man. (Gen. 8:21) What about if man became wicked
again? How would God make good on His promise to Noah? Because Israel
was on the make with the rise of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Israel
would be the pledge to guarantee God's promise to Noah that the world
would be saved of another similar catastrophe. I believe that's what
Jesus had in mind when he told that Samaritan woman that salvation
is from the Jews. That's what keeps the world going.

Ben

Question In John 8 ; 44 , Who Is This Verse Talking To And About ?

The verse in John 8:44 is talking about an argument Jesus was having with the Jews who had believed in him. Take a look at John 8:31 and tell me if it's not true. How could Jesus call the Jews who had believed in him, children of the Devil? Does it make any sense to you? If it does, you must be of the same kind of Gentiles who wrote this in John 8:44. Now, the verse is talking about the hatred that the guys who wrote the NT had of the Jewish People. The truth is that Jesus was not the one who was talking. Jesus would not break the Golden Rule so blatantly, and still be claimed that he was sinless.

[Ben Masada]

The new light over this thread is that Jeremiah understood it to be as it is, when he prophesied that if Israel ever ceases as a People before the Lord forever, the natural laws will cease functioning properly. We all know that if this ever happens, universal catastrophes will be the order of the day. It could be the end of Mankind just as it happened to the Dinosaurs. (Jer. 31:35,36)

This has got to be the funniest thing I have ever read since posting on this forum. Are you actually suggesting that, without the existence of Jews, the entire natural order would fall into chaos? Are you serious???

What Really Sad He Believe That Crap He Posting . And He Call Other Anti -Semitic


Well, in that case, the Biblical Prophets were talking crap. Can you explain Jeremiah 31:35,36 to me? I would appreciate. If you can't, you owe me an apology for ridiculing my beliefs.

[Ben Masada]

Moderator Warning

The new light over this thread is that Jeremiah understood it to be as it is, when he prophesied that if Israel ever ceases as a People before the Lord forever, the natural laws will cease functioning properly. We all know that if this ever happens, universal catastrophes will be the order of the day. It could be the end of Mankind just as it happened to the Dinosaurs. (Jer. 31:35,36)

This has got to be the funniest thing I have ever read since posting on this forum. Are you actually suggesting that, without the existence of Jews, the entire natural order would fall into chaos? Are you serious???

What Really Sad He Believe That Crap He Posting . And He Call Other Anti -Semitic LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

This post is both a personal attack, and unproductive. You may feel the position being taken is ridiculous, and that is fine, but address the substance of why you think it is ridiculous without the name-calling and pejorative sarcasm.

If to quote a Prophet in a religious forum is a personal attack and unproductive, no one can quote Galatians 4:21-31, because it is Antisemitism.

[Ben Masada]

Moderator Warning

.... every time Jesus spoke theologically with reference to Mankind, he did on behalf of the collective. The Jewish People. That's perfectly normal to do so.

Speaking to the people in that time and place, it was a normal thing to do. But not today. And, while Jesus may have said things considered to be a theological reference to Mankind by today's standards, I don't see that as being his intention, if indeed that was his intention, at the time.

IMO, the things said and done by Jesus have been theologized to the worst extreme by this religious group or that, each one thinking that sacred Scripture means this, while another insists it means that. One religious group claims those things should be interpreted according to their theology, while another counterclaims with, "No, it must be interpreted according to our theology."

Do you really think when you write? Look at what you said above: "No, it must be interpreted according to our theologyl." Why? Do you know whom you are talking about? A Jew; a religious Jew. And do you know whom you are taking with? A Jew, a religious Jew. Why has Jesus, a religious Jew, to be interpreted according to the theology of a Gentile and not the theology of a Jew? How about if you ponder on the nonsense that you have just pronounced? I'll let you now off the hook so that you can think in freedom.

Ben:

There is no need to label other posts as "nonsense" and suggest they are writing without thinking. This is a form of personal attack and not conducive to civil debate.

That's exactly how I am labeled here by almost everyone. Why should I turn the other cheek? The time for the masochistic Jew of the Holocaust is long past. I never start, but once I am treated with disdain, I understand that so people here like to be treated.