Special Creation

[Ben Masada]

Special Creation

It is a misconception to say that the Jewish People are God's Chosen People. If we really ponder on the matter, the Jews do not claim such a title on themselves. It is usually claimed by others, especially Christians, and usually from a hostile point of view.

For a people to be chosen, they must be picked out from among a group of other peoples. That's definitely not what happened to the Jewish People.

According to Genesis 6:5, the Flood had become inevitable because Mankind had corrupted the earth. After the Flood, Elohim promised Noah that He would never allow another catastrophe of that size again to hit all Mankind. (Gen. 8:21) But what about if Mankind did corrupt the earth again?

That's when Elohim decided to effect a new and special creation and not to wait and choose a people from among a group of peoples. Israel was therefore in the designs of God many years before she was actually born with the purpose to guarantee God's promise to Noah.

Jeremiah, under prophetical inspiration, declared that if Israel ever ceases as a People before the Lord forever, the natural laws will cease to work properly, which would cause the eruption of catastrophes anywhere or everywhere to threaten the whole of Mankind. (Jer. 31:35-37)

Therefore, we should stop the myth that the Jewish People are God's Chosen People, and rather think of them as a Special Creation for a specific Divine purpose.

Ben

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Ben Masada.

The Torah appears to clearly state that Jews are 'God's Chosen People' ...

Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

[Ben Masada]

G'day Ben Masada.

The Torah appears to clearly state that Jews are 'God's Chosen People' ...

Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

And you don't feel jealous of such a Divine preference? How about being not God respecter of people? Has that changed? Don't you feel left out with such a choosing of a people over the others? I think it is much more prudent to think of a special creation than a choosing of a people in spite of the others.

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Ben Masada.

The Torah appears to clearly state that Jews are 'God's Chosen People' ...

Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

And you don't feel jealous of such a Divine preference? How about being not God respecter of people? Has that changed? Don't you feel left out with such a choosing of a people over the others? I think it is much more prudent to think of a special creation than a choosing of a people in spite of the others.

G'day Ben Masada.

No.

Firstly I'd have to believe in the Judaic deity, then believe that this Deity chose them, then think less of myself because of a choice that has nothing to do with me. Besides that, why would I desire in any way, shape or form to be chosen by a deity that kills all but a few inhabitants on the earth out of pique, demands to be worshipped, has temper tantrums, etc, etc. Personally, I'd tell the deity to go stick it's choice where the sun doesn't shine.

[Ben Masada]

G'day Ben Masada.

The Torah appears to clearly state that Jews are 'God's Chosen People' ...

Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

And you don't feel jealous of such a Divine preference? How about being not God respecter of people? Has that changed? Don't you feel left out with such a choosing of a people over the others? I think it is much more prudent to think of a special creation than a choosing of a people in spite of the others.

G'day Ben Masada.

No.

Firstly I'd have to believe in the Judaic deity, then believe that this Deity chose them, then think less of myself because of a choice that has nothing to do with me. Besides that, why would I desire in any way, shape or form to be chosen by a deity that kills all but a few inhabitants on the earth out of pique, demands to be worshipped, has temper tantrums, etc, etc. Personally, I'd tell the deity to go stick it's choice where the sun doesn't shine.

What kind of deity are you talking about, Zeus? The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never did any of the things you enumerate above. Those things were done by migration tribes in search of a place to settle down. Israel was not at all the first neither the only one. They would add their gods to the business they were about in order to have someone else to blame for their actions.

[kayky]

Ben, you are confusing a tribal religion with actual reality.

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Ben Masada.

The Torah appears to clearly state that Jews are 'God's Chosen People' ...

Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

And you don't feel jealous of such a Divine preference? How about being not God respecter of people? Has that changed? Don't you feel left out with such a choosing of a people over the others? I think it is much more prudent to think of a special creation than a choosing of a people in spite of the others.

G'day Ben Masada.

No.

Firstly I'd have to believe in the Judaic deity, then believe that this Deity chose them, then think less of myself because of a choice that has nothing to do with me. Besides that, why would I desire in any way, shape or form to be chosen by a deity that kills all but a few inhabitants on the earth out of pique, demands to be worshipped, has temper tantrums, etc, etc. Personally, I'd tell the deity to go stick it's choice where the sun doesn't shine.

What kind of deity are you talking about, Zeus? The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never did any of the things you enumerate above. Those things were done by migration tribes in search of a place to settle down. Israel was not at all the first neither the only one. They would add their gods to the business they were about in order to have someone else to blame for their actions.

Deuteronomy 13:13-19
The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.

Exodus 31:12-15
Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.

Exodus 12:29-30
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died.

Jeremiah 51:20-26
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.

1 Samuel 15:2-3
This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.'

Jeremiah 15:1-4
Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth."

Ezekiel 35:7-9
I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD.

Joshua 7:15
[The Lord speaking] "The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel."

[Coyotero]

Ben, you are confusing a tribal religion with actual reality.

I take offense at this.

[kayky]

Ben, you are confusing a tribal religion with actual reality.

I take offense at this.

Why? Do you have evidence to the contrary?

[Coyotero]

No, because I practice a tribal religion.

Perhaps I misunderstood your post?