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Lukewarm Christians

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Throughout my years as a Christian I often heard this particular scripture quoted with regards to lukewarm Christians (ie, Christians who aren't really putting their heart and soul into their faith - wishy washy Christians):
Rev 3:16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth."
Really if one takes the above scripture as condemnation to lukewarm Christians, it really contradicts the notion that all it takes to be saved is to repent and acknowledge Christ as your personal savior. It means that works are required to maintain your salvation. It also opens up a can of worms when it comes to determining who are the hot and who are the cold. It really takes away any assurance of salvation, because how do you know whether you are hot enough?

As I became a Christian who learnt to seek answers for themselves, rather than just trusting everything I was taught, I read this verse in the context of the entire chapter. Well actually the verses from 7-22 which are aimed specifically at the church of Philadelphia. If you take it in context it is a verse obviously aimed at those who have not yet accepted Christ as their savior. In other words, non-Christians! ie, If you are hot, have made the decision to follow Christ. If you are cold it means you haven't.

This scripture is aimed at people sitting "on the fence" who have not made a decision to follow Christ. In this case they are people who in verse 17 it says believe they have everything they need, who see no need for Christ in their lives. In v19 it then goes on to say that these people need to repent.

So questions:

Is verse 16 refering to wishy washy Christians or people who have not yet accepted Christ as their lord and savior? Or does this scripture refer to something else all together?
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OnceConvinced wrote:
drs wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:
drs wrote:I thought I said that it was twofold addresed to those who would believe.

Also Christians who have fallen from the way need to repent also.
Oh sorry, I obviously didn't get your point. Yeah, that would make sense.

I don't think it can be used to condemn lukewarm Christians though. I believe that is something different again. Would you agree?


verse 16- 18 here sounds like a prety strong rebuke towards these Christians





16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,[g] I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
I don't think those scriptures are aimed at Christians but unbelievers who do not want to give up their lives and follow God.

Why could it not be Christians who do not want to give up their lives to serve GOD

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

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