Secular schools destroy morality.

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Secular schools destroy morality.

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easyrider wrote: Well, Zyzzx, for the last 40 years we've seen some real fine examples of your humanism as work. The schools have become war zones and morality has been flushed down the PC toilets. Congratulations on your religion free Utopian wasteland. LOL!!!
Easyrider claims that humanism destroy a countries morality through the school system. can it be shown that humanism is the cause of a decline in morality in one of the most christian countries in the world?

questions for debate:
Is there a decline in morality in america?

If so, is it a result of the school system?

If so, is the decline of the school system a result of secular humanism?

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kayky wrote:
Also interesting the Episcopal church was probably the most slavery-friendly church, disregarding Biblical principles such as the Golden Rule which the Evangelical abolitionists didn't overlook. The Episcopal church continues in the same tradition today, disregarding what the Bible says about homosexual activity in favor of what is culturally popular.
This is really disingenuous. The Methodists, Presbyterians, and Baptists simply broke apart into northern and southern sects. The denomination most represented in the ranks of abolitionists were the Quakers--hardly evangelicals. The Episcopal Church is one of the few denominations to formally apologize for supporting slavery.
Probably because as I said earlier, they were very friendly to slavery.
And the Episcopal Church is not interested in what is "culturally popular." It is interested in social justice--just as Jesus was.
From Wikipedia: "The term "social justice" is often employed by the political left to describe a society with a greater degree of economic egalitarianism, which may be achieved through progressive taxation, income redistribution, or even property redistribution, policies aimed toward achieving that which developmental economists refer to as equality of opportunity and equality of outcome." That's not why Jesus Christ came to earth, but to reconcile man to God through His substitutionary death on the cross. The dying Episcopal Church is kind of a branch of the Democratic Party in religious trappings. They are a minority church with a majority complex.

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Cathar1950 wrote:
What is God warning against, divorce or prison?
Malachi 2:16a: “I hate divorce, says the Lord God of Israel.� According to the Bible, God’s plan is that marriage be a lifetime commitment. “So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate� (Matthew 19:6).
Here you are preaching about how God warns about what most think is bad.
Beto in post 33 above doesn't think it's bad.
But I find it interesting that you state some stat about how many there are from broken homes and then when someone mention the stats on Christians you got all kinds of rationalizations.
You really think these 80% are serious Christians? Jesus said his true disciples follow Him in word AND deed. About a third of California prisoners are illegal aliens, mainly from Mexico and many from gangs. You may, but I don't consider them 'Christians' because they were baptized as an infant.

During the Welsh revival a hundred years ago, crime was reduced so much they had to close down the prisons.

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But you are from Kentucky and most of them should also be in jail.
Was it Kentucky or Tennessee that was the place for criminals?
I must have missed that little tidbit! Please DO fill me in.

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Probably because as I said earlier, they were very friendly to slavery.
Like a lot of other Americans before the Civil War! At least they have taken responsibility for it, unlike other prominent denominations. Why don't you address the issue of the denominations that split over the issue? The only reason the Southern Baptist church exists, for example, is because all the slave supporters left the mainline Baptist church. What have they done as far as accountability is concerned? Why don't you address the issue that most abolitionists were Quakers (a lot of Mennonites as well) and not "Evangelicals" as you claim? You pick and choose where to aim your barbs based on your own prejudices, not facts.

From Wikipedia: "The term "social justice" is often employed by the political left to describe a society with a greater degree of economic egalitarianism, which may be achieved through progressive taxation, income redistribution, or even property redistribution, policies aimed toward achieving that which developmental economists refer to as equality of opportunity and equality of outcome." That's not why Jesus Christ came to earth, but to reconcile man to God through His substitutionary death on the cross.
I checked out that Wikipedia article, which begins like this: "Social justice, sometimes called civil justice, refers to the concept of a society in which justice is achieved in every aspect of society, rather than merely the administration of law. It is generally thought of as a world which affords individuals and groups fair treatment and an impartial share of the benefits of society."

How can anyone argue against a society that works toward fair treatment and impartial opportunities for all? The work of the Episcopal church has no connection to taxation or property redistribution--because the Episcopal church has no affiliation with the "political left." People of all political persuasions are represented in our congregations--and, unlike others, we have no problem recognizing the separation of church and state.
The dying Episcopal Church is kind of a branch of the Democratic Party in religious trappings. They are a minority church with a majority complex.
Is "kind of a branch"?? No. Not even "kind of." As far as the death of the Episcopal church is concerned, this is merely wishful thinking on your part. There are eight Episcopal churches in my town alone, and I have trouble finding a seat on Sunday morning.

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You really think these 80% are serious Christians? Jesus said his true disciples follow Him in word AND deed. About a third of California prisoners are illegal aliens, mainly from Mexico and many from gangs. You may, but I don't consider them 'Christians' because they were baptized as an infant.
What I really question is if someone who has displayed the degree of prejudice and hatred that you have displayed on this thread and others could be considered a "serious Christian."

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From Wikipedia: "The term "social justice" is often employed by the political left to describe a society with a greater degree of economic egalitarianism, which may be achieved through progressive taxation, income redistribution, or even property redistribution, policies aimed toward achieving that which developmental economists refer to as equality of opportunity and equality of outcome." That's not why Jesus Christ came to earth, but to reconcile man to God through His substitutionary death on the cross.
Jesus wasn't interested in loving your neighbor and taking care of the needy?? That's an interesting concept. Not all denominations buy into this "substitution" doctrine you speak of, by the way. But then you strike me as the type of person who thinks that the main emphasis of Christianity is believing in the "correct doctrines." You also strike me as the type of person who is more interested in the "letter" of the law, rather than the "spirit" of the law. Remind me. What did the Apostle Paul have to say about this attitude??

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