Will Christians be protected from Gay social goals?

[Mere_Christian]

Once gay marriage is legalized in most states and forced on those that will not legalize it by the power of Democrat majority in Congress, how will Christians be protected from Gay Activists desiring to force Gay Culture and gay sex on every aspect of Christian life?

[McCulloch]

Will Christians be protected from Gay social goals?

Depression and jealousy are also deadly conditions.

Can you show that depression and jealousy are gay social goals?

The rise of homosexuals is an indication of how perverse the society has become. This is a direct fault if liberalism/progressiveism/humanism. The people that hail themselves the enlightened.

If you first assume that homosexuality is a bad thing, then its rise would be an indication of how perverse society has become. I see no reason to condemn homosexual behavior, so I see the rising toleration of homosexuality as an indication of how society has improved.

However, your comment is off topic. The question is about the alleged erosion of the rights of Christians in a jurisdiction that allows same-sex marriage.

Alledged? Youy must never go out in the real world. Although TV is about as Sodom and Gomorrah as it gets.

Please! Save us the histrionics. What particular rights do Christians have do you feel are being eroded? Be specific.

Since there are a significant number of these jurisdictions now, perhaps you could point to a few where Christians are being denied their human rights.

Will Christians be protected. This thread is about the rule of the sexually perverse over those that loathe them and preach and teach against them. That includes the gay versus Christian war going on.

No, we are not talking about the sexually perverse. We are talking about responsible, adult, consenting homosexuals. Certain Christians complained that their rights would be removed with the establishment of racial equality laws that allowed, among other things, interracial marriage. I suppose that if you feel that it is your right to preach hatred against those who do you no harm and wish to live responsibly and peacefully in our society, then for the common good, your rights will be curtailed.

I think that this kind of fear mongering is simply a form of projection by the proponents of a Christian theocracy.

I oppose a Christian theocracy ONLY because there are so many people that are provably liars when they claim to be Christians.

And here I was thinking that our freedoms are a good thing!

Sexual freedom comes with a lot of perps victimizing the young. EVEN, in the Church. How do we get them out and lebal them properly when they will have power to legislate law.

I suppose gays and atheists should not be allowed to vote. Try to stay on topic. We are not discussing pedophilia, we are discussing gay rights. A homosexual person who sexually abuses a child is as culpable as a heterosexual person who sexually abuses a child. The gay rights activists are not wishing to change that.

And I'll validate the "projection." History is replete with examples of the sexually unrestrained gaining power and control over the populace and victimizing other peoples (usually poor people) children. Since we actually live in a very Greek and Roman dominated culture in the west, it stands to reason that as homosexuals gain power, the walls of sexual permissiveness will be obliterated.

Presumably you mean the walls of sexual purity or the walls against sexual permissiveness. How about a couple examples of the sexually unrestrained who have gained power and use that to victimize poor people's children?

Liberal and Progressive Democrats. The sex-slave trade, porn and brothels are thriving in secularville known as Europe.

You use the terms Liberal, Progressive and Democrat as if they were insults. As far as I can tell, liberal progressives are against sex-slaves. Many are for the legalization and legitimization of sex workers, in order to get the so-called oldest profession out of the dangerous and oppressive system forced upon them by its criminalization. Again, it was liberals and democrats who insist on some protective measures (age rules and written consent) in the porn industry. The reactionary right wingers just want to censor it, ban it and burn it.

No offense, but I don't see secularists giving a damn about lascivious licentiousness seeing that porn dominates the internet and real life and our youth culture is just about as debased as it can be.

I for one, believe that any depiction promoting coercive sexuality (including underage or violent sex) as morally wrong.

Pederasts rights are up next. Follow the history brook road. Also of course civil war as well.

Damn, I must have missed that history book. Is this a documented historical pattern? Allow human rights for gays, will lead to legalized abuse of children and civil war. Gotcha. You've got a bona fide historian to back up your allegation, right?

Odd thing, none of my gay friends try to recruit me, my wife or my children. I guess I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd of gay folks.

You must be unattractive. I literally had to run away from some of my "gay friends." No was just a word meaning you need to be more high.

It is unfortunate that you have had such experiences. It is also unfortunate when a young girl gets date raped. Neither experience invalidates the validity of the sexual preferences of the perpetrator.

Humanists that oppose Christians and Christianity know that Christians will recruit their children in every way they they can, and that liberals do not seem to have the moral capacity to stop it.

That is true. Christians desire very much so to show humanism as the ractual religion of satan. That is actually what I am doing in my upcoming classes.

Someone lets you teach a class!? Your logic should be quite interesting, those who explicitly deny the existence of supernatural beings are, in reality, servants of the spiritual evil one.

[Homicidal_Cherry53]

What about gay sex among the youth population? Some of which is extremely deadly.

Is there any at all evidence to support an increase in gay sex among children and teens following gay marriage being legalized? I can't understand how anyone could even begin to accurately keep track of a statistic like that, nevermind use it to support an argument.

And I'll validate the "projection." History is replete with examples of the sexually unrestrianed gaining power and control over the popualce and victimizing other peoples (usually poor people) children. Since we actually live in a very Greek and Roman dominated culture in the west, it stands to reason that as homosexuals gain power, the walls of sexual permissiveness will be obliterated.

There is nothing to demonstrate that pedophilia and homosexuality came from the top down in Greek and Roman society. They were a part of the society, and, as far as I know, they were not bound by social class.

No offense, but I don't see secularists giving a damn about lascivious licentiousness seeing that porn dominates the internet and real life and our youth culture is just about as debased as it can be. The next logical step is pederasty and THAT IS what homosexuality is in the historical sense. Christians keep warning society of the consequences of a hedonistic and lascivious culture and our world keeps getting sicker and sicker as it gets more and more secularized.

There is a GIGANTIC gap between two men agreeing to have sex and a boy being raped (or a boy consenting to. I believe the definition covers both) by a man. It is the difference between the doctor-assisted suicide and murder. The first is a consenting decision made by two people that are able to make their . The second is one person forcing something awful on someone else against that persons will. In both cases, no reasonable connection can be drawn between the two. There is nothing to indicate that one leads to the other as they are entirely different.

I believe out of experience in the real world, that gay rights is being driven by sick and twisted pederasts.

So all of the gay people you have met have sex with children? Do any of them, for that matter?

Christians that oppose homosexuals and homosexuality know that gays will recruit their children in every way they can

I have to wonder how much contact these people have had with homosexuals, as I have never seen a child being pushed towards homosexuality by their parents.[/i]

[aerobatty]

Once gay marriage is legalized in most states and forced on those that will not legalize it by the power of Democrat majority in Congress, how will Christians be protected from Gay Activists desiring to force Gay Culture and gay sex on every aspect of Christian life?

This sounds like 'We can't keep on restricting their rights, are they going to retaliate' type of reasoning.

Pure logic. But retaliate on our children.

I have yet to see any reason to think that Christians will be forced to marry people of the same gender or have gay sex.

How long before our proper sermons condemning gay sex and homosexuals are outlawed and our tax exepmt status is attacked by gays and their anti-Christian supporters?

Ever noticed how much support "Gay Christians" get from the crowd of anti-Christians these days?

Interesting.

Powers and Principalities so.

Frankly, with all the politics that religion is butting into, I think they should lose their tax free status immediately. I think any priest, pastor or whatever that endorses any candidate, no matter how obscurely they do it, or any public policy should lose their tax free status.

Any religious group that promotes some religiously based public policy should lose tax free status.

Churches are one of the largest property owners in the country and if we could collect taxes from them, we probably wouldn't be in the financial crisis we're in now.

And I can easily see your "proper sermons condemning gay sex and homosexuals" should be ruled as hate speech and outlawed right now.

[Mere_Christian]

Once gay marriage is legalized in most states and forced on those that will not legalize it by the power of Democrat majority in Congress, how will Christians be protected from Gay Activists desiring to force Gay Culture and gay sex on every aspect of Christian life?

The best way to resist Gay culture is to be an uncultured slob. Don't clean up, don't wash, dress in unsightly clothing. Gay's love culture and the arts and are clean and tidy. I know it's a stereotype but I'm generalising here.

Aren't you also reinforcing the hedonism and pickup culture so connected with gay culture? It's all about lust of the flesh huh?

The best way to resist gay sex is to just say no. Ok, it always depends upon the person but you have much less chance of being raped by a man as a man then you would have being raped by a man as a women in Christian societies.

Where is there a "Christian society?" Europe and America are secular societies. All rapes within that structure. Can you name me one Christian country? Obviously this will not bode well for secularism as a morally sound ideology huh?

Much much less chance. And you won't get pregnant and they'll probably use a condom.

How many people have died from AIDS again? STD's are how super abundant nowadays again?

Maybe we need a "Christian society" for real huh?

Couldn't do any worse than what is ruling us now.

But the main worry is how will Christians in THIS secular hedonistic dominated society be kept safe from those desiring the clean and fresh young people that make up such a LARGE portion of Christian congregations?

[Mere_Christian]

Will Christians be protected from Gay social goals?

Depression and jealousy are also deadly conditions.

Can you show that depression and jealousy are gay social goals?

The revelling in drama and crisis?

The rise of homosexuals is an indication of how perverse the society has become. This is a direct fault of liberalism/progressiveism/humanism. The people that hail themselves the enlightened.

If you first assume that homosexuality is a bad thing, then its rise would be an indication of how perverse society has become. I see no reason to condemn homosexual behavior, so I see the rising toleration of homosexuality as an indication of how society has improved.

But one view of gay culture shows that lust and lasciviousness, licentiousness and promiscuity are very deadly behaviors. Very, very deadly even still.

However, your comment is off topic. The question is about the alleged erosion of the rights of Christians in a jurisdiction that allows same-sex marriage.

Alledged? You must never go out in the real world. Although TV is about as Sodom and Gomorrah as it gets.

Please! Save us the histrionics. What particular rights do Christians have do you feel are being eroded? Be specific.

The right to free speech. You cannot have gay culture and Christian truth dwelling in the same place. My question is about what YOU secularists will do us Christians when we stick to Biblical truth over pop culture? I notice the threat of forcing us to become secular businesses and THAT wll force gay culture ON US and into our Churches.

Since there are a significant number of these jurisdictions now, perhaps you could point to a few where Christians are being denied their human rights.

Will Christians be protected. This thread is about the rule of the sexually perverse over those that loathe them and preach and teach against them. That includes the gay versus Christian war going on.

No, we are not talking about the sexually perverse. We are talking about responsible, adult, consenting homosexuals.

Hmm, that is spread in public schools by GSA's run by adult gay actvists? Do we get to present a counter point to gay activism? In school sex should be taught as consequences to biollogical sexuality. That excludes homosexuality as a pop culture and places it squarely in absurdity. That unreasoning beasts sometimes try to mount another of the same gender is no reason to raise the behavior to the level of a right to encourage humans to do. Logically speaking. The rectum and palate have designed purposes sceintifically. Excluding any sexuality at all.

Certain Christians complained that their rights would be removed with the establishment of racial equality laws that allowed, among other things, interracial marriage.

Canard. Bogus argument. Humans are of one species proven scientifically. The anatomy does not speak to gay sex in any way but aberration and deviance. Logically and scientifically. The secularist loses the argument here on logicacl grounds. Christians that oppose a European marrying a Asian can be shown science that supports the Biblical truth on reality.

I suppose that if you feel that it is your right to preach hatred against those who do you no harm and wish to live responsibly and peacefully in our society, then for the common good, your rights will be curtailed.

Hate is a laughable canard that is wearing out. If Christians are hateful because they oppose homosexuals and homosexuality, then they hate women too when they oppose prostitution and promiscuity, adultery and no husband raising his and her children.

Once again, logic is on the side of anti-gay Christian truth.

I think that this kind of fear mongering is simply a form of projection by the proponents of a Christian theocracy.

I oppose a Christian theocracy ONLY because there are so many people that are provably liars when they claim to be Christians.

And here I was thinking that our freedoms are a good thing!

Sexual freedom comes with a lot of perps victimizing the young. EVEN, in the Church. How do we get them out and lebal them properly when they will have power to legislate law.

I suppose gays and atheists should not be allowed to vote.

I would hope they would vote logically. But alas, selfishness is an age-old downfall of society.

Try to stay on topic. We are not discussing pedophilia, we are discussing gay rights.

Pederasty is different than pedophilia. Gay history is replete with pederasty. That is why schools were off-limits to pederasts in ancient Greece.

A homosexual person who sexually abuses a child is as culpable as a heterosexual person who sexually abuses a child. The gay rights activists are not wishing to change that.

On today's slippery slope. Tomorrow there will be further assaults on morality and decency. It seems to be a problem with secularism in totality.

And I'll validate the "projection." History is replete with examples of the sexually unrestrained gaining power and control over the populace and victimizing other peoples (usually poor people) children.

Since we actually live in a very Greek and Roman dominated culture in the west, it stands to reason that as homosexuals gain power, the walls of sexual permissiveness will be obliterated.

Presumably you mean the walls of sexual purity or the walls against sexual permissiveness. How about a couple examples of the sexually unrestrained who have gained power and use that to victimize poor people's children?

Liberal and Progressive Democrats. The sex-slave trade, porn and brothels are thriving in secularville known as Europe.

You use the terms Liberal, Progressive and Democrat as if they were insults.

Cause and effect. By their fruits . . .

As far as I can tell, liberal progressives are against sex-slaves.

Not in Europe. There's nothing being done about it except legalizing prostitution.

Sound familiar in Liberal and Progressive circles here in the states?

Many are for the legalization and legitimization of sex workers, in order to get the so-called oldest profession out of the dangerous and oppressive system forced upon them by its criminalization.

And victimization of the poor comes flooding in. Legally and apathetically so.

Again, it was liberals and democrats who insist on some protective measures (age rules and written consent) in the porn industry. The reactionary right wingers just want to censor it, ban it and burn it.

Porn shows us the incapability of liberals and progressives to stop the beasts they feed and clothe so well. Apathy is a great sin ansd weakness of leftist worlds. They usually want other people to pay for their failures too.

No offense, but I don't see secularists giving a damn about lascivious licentiousness seeing that porn dominates the internet and real life and our youth culture is just about as debased as it can be.

I for one, believe that any depiction promoting coercive sexuality (including underage or violent sex) as morally wrong.

Pederasts rights are up next. Follow the history brook road. Also of course civil war as well.

Damn, I must have missed that history book.

Really? Read what happned (and happens) in big Christian churches where pederasts take up power. It's worse in the secular world.

Is this a documented historical pattern? Allow human rights for gays, will lead to legalized abuse of children and civil war.

Without doubt.

Gotcha. You've got a bona fide historian to back up your allegation, right?

Greek or Roman? European or Californian?

Does our youth culture look they are leading us to morality central? It looks more like Sodom and Gomorrah print or TV media . . . or real life.

Odd thing, none of my gay friends try to recruit me, my wife or my children. I guess I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd of gay folks.

You must be unattractive. I literally had to run away from some of my "gay friends." No was just a word meaning you need to be more high.

It is unfortunate that you have had such experiences. It is also unfortunate when a young girl gets date raped. Neither experience invalidates the validity of the sexual preferences of the perpetrator.

Really? I've never known the term "turned out" in the straight world. In the gay world, it seems quite the activity. And like I say, I know it for a fact.

Humanists that oppose Christians and Christianity know that Christians will recruit their children in every way they they can, and that liberals do not seem to have the moral capacity to stop it.

That is true. Christians desire very much so to show humanism as the actual religion of satan. That is actually what I am doing in my upcoming classes.

Someone lets you teach a class!? Your logic should be quite interesting,

Logic is what it's all about. Reality makes for a good blackboard. Although I'm using a smart board nowadays.

. . . those who explicitly deny the existence of supernatural beings are, in reality, servants of the spiritual evil one.

Not all of them. Not even the majority of them. But many are.

Cause and effect wise that is.

My classes just present what and who the kids will be interacting with when they get to your secular public schools.

[McCulloch]

Can you show that depression and jealousy are gay social goals?

The revelling in drama and crisis?

Is this a statement or a question? Can you show that depression and jealousy are gay social goals?

But one view of gay culture shows that lust and lasciviousness, licentiousness and promiscuity are very deadly behaviors. Very, very deadly even still.

Can you show that this one view is the correct view? Would not a better alternative be to take action against the deadly behavior of promiscuity that to attack all forms of homosexuality? Encourage homosexuals and heterosexuals to not be promiscuous rather than target all homosexuals.

The right to free speech.

The right to free speech is not an absolute. For example, you are not allowed to cry, "Fire!" in a crowded theater and expect to be protected under free speech. Christians are allowed, under free speech, to preach that homosexuality is a sin, just as other religions may teach that eating certain things is a sin.

You cannot have gay culture and Christian truth dwelling in the same place.

Why is that? The gay culture is perfectly willing to tolerate and live in peace with the Christians. Which side is showing intolerance?

My question is about what YOU secularists will do us Christians when we stick to Biblical truth over pop culture?

Nothing. We will continue to allow you to stick to your antiquated beliefs. We might try to educate and improve your understanding. Our secular government will take measures to prevent unfair bias based on religion, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference and other such things.

Certain Christians complained that their rights would be removed with the establishment of racial equality laws that allowed, among other things, interracial marriage.

Canard. Bogus argument. Humans are of one species proven scientifically. The anatomy does not speak to gay sex in any way but aberration and deviance. Logically and scientifically. The secularist loses the argument here on logicacl grounds. Christians that oppose a European marrying a Asian can be shown science that supports the Biblical truth on reality.

The anatomy does not speak to oral sex in any way but aberration and deviance. Logically and scientifically. The Christian loses the argument here on logical grounds. Christians that oppose a woman marrying an other woman can be shown that science no more supports the prohibition on same sex marriage any more than it does for oral sex.

Pederasty is different than pedophilia. Gay history is replete with pederasty. That is why schools were off-limits to pederasts in ancient Greece.

Forgive my ignorance, what is the difference? Other than pedophilia can be used if the victim is either sex and pederasty applies only to male victims.

A homosexual person who sexually abuses a child is as culpable as a heterosexual person who sexually abuses a child. The gay rights activists are not wishing to change that.

On today's slippery slope. Tomorrow there will be further assaults on morality and decency. It seems to be a problem with secularism in totality.

We do not legislate against a behavior because allowing it might lead to worse behaviors in the future, do we? Try to stay focused on the issue at hand.

As far as I can tell, liberal progressives are against sex-slaves.

Not in Europe. There's nothing being done about it except legalizing prostitution.

Sound familiar in Liberal and Progressive circles here in the states?

I have not researched Europe, but I know that in Canada, new laws have been put into place to allow for the prosecution of those involved with overseas sex slavery. Furthermore, wouldn't legalizing and licensing the sex-trade be a step away from the current system of illegal pimps and protection?

Many are for the legalization and legitimization of sex workers, in order to get the so-called oldest profession out of the dangerous and oppressive system forced upon them by its criminalization.

And victimization of the poor comes flooding in. Legally and apathetically so.

Yes, certainly, provisions for proper benefits, protection against abuse and coercion, safe environment, medical coverage and all the other benefits of legalization can only be seen as victimization by the radical Christian right.

No offense, but I don't see secularists giving a damn about lascivious licentiousness seeing that porn dominates the internet and real life and our youth culture is just about as debased as it can be.

I for one, believe that any depiction promoting coercive sexuality (including underage or violent sex) as morally wrong.

Pederasts rights are up next. Follow the history brook road. Also of course civil war as well.

Damn, I must have missed that history book.

Really? Read what happned (and happens) in big Christian churches where pederasts take up power. It's worse in the secular world.

Pardon me for assuming. I assumed that someone would notice the what I thought was obvious sarcasm in my response and interpret it as a request for support. My bad. Let me rephrase.

What history book links expanded rights for adult homosexuals with pederasty and civil war?

Is this a documented historical pattern? Allow human rights for gays, will lead to legalized abuse of children and civil war.

Without doubt.

Since you are so sure, then you should be able to post evidence.

Gotcha. You've got a bona fide historian to back up your allegation, right?

Greek or Roman? European or Californian?

Do I get my pick? How about a nice Californian historian?

[JoeyKnothead]

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You cannot have gay culture and Christian truth dwelling in the same place.

I contend that until such time "Christian truth" can be shown to be, you know, truth that Christians should live their lives as they see fit, and allow others the same.

My question is about what YOU secularists will do us Christians when we stick to Biblical truth over pop culture?

I personally will continue to laugh in amazement that folks would believe ancient tales that have little to no corelation to reality.
What I wouldn't do is condemn them or restrict them from doing so.

I notice the threat of forcing us to become secular businesses and THAT wll force gay culture ON US and into our Churches.

Public businesses should be bound to public law.

Hmm, that is spread in public schools by GSA's run by adult gay actvists? Do we get to present a counter point to gay activism?

Yes. Only thing is you must present factual, verifiable information. That's why the God issue is not allowed.

In school sex should be taught as consequences to biollogical sexuality.

Yes. Not as something "wicked".

That excludes homosexuality as a pop culture and places it squarely in absurdity.

Your opinion is noted.

That unreasoning beasts sometimes try to mount another of the same gender is no reason to raise the behavior to the level of a right to encourage humans to do.

Nor should folks be restricted based on the unproven, unprovable tales of an ancient culture.

I would contend folks already have the right to do their otherwise harmless acts. I contend those who are trying to restrict such rights should stay out of their bedrooms.

The rectum and palate have designed purposes sceintifically. Excluding any sexuality at all.

That they can be used for sexual gratification would then require us to conclude this is part of such "design".

Why do you have to state "excluding any sexuality at all", when it is a fact that folks use these parts for sexual gratification?

This is the problem with "design" arguments, they so often are based on one's interpretation of what constitutes proper "design".

The anatomy does not speak to gay sex in any way but aberration and deviance.

As above, the fact remains that certain organs are used in sexual gratification. That you consider such uses as "deviant" has no bearing on the facts.

Logically and scientifically. The secularist loses the argument here on logicacl grounds.

Only when folks such as yourself require "exceptions" when making these arguments.

Again, the facts show that such organs are used for sexual gratification, and so "design" becomes relative to the observer.

Christians that oppose a European marrying a Asian can be shown science that supports the Biblical truth on reality.

Can the Bible, or you, show that donkeys talk? Snakes talk? Folks rise up out of graves after three days? Folks can walk on water?

I suppose here "reality" becomes subjective to the observer as well.

Once again, logic is on the side of anti-gay Christian truth.

Yet so much of "Christian truth" can't be shown to be truth, much less logical.

On today's slippery slope. Tomorrow there will be further assaults on morality and decency. It seems to be a problem with secularism in totality.

One man's "morals" is another's night with the hot twins.

I contend that basing "morals" on ancient tales should come with evidence such tales are true.

Porn shows us the incapability of liberals and progressives to stop the beasts they feed and clothe so well.

I don't know what porn you're watching, but I see no "beasts" in the porn I watch.

Really? I've never known the term "turned out" in the straight world. In the gay world, it seems quite the activity. And like I say, I know it for a fact.

You've been "turned out"?

Logic is what it's all about.

Where's the logic in basing one's position on an issue in the ancient tales of Bronze Age tribesmen?

[micatala]

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[micatala]

It has not happened in any other country where same-sex marriage is legal, why would you expect it to happen in the USA.

What about gay sex among the youth population? Some of which is extremely deadly.

There is nothing dangerous with gay sex per se. What is dangerous is unprotected sex with multiple partners.

However, your comment is off topic. The question is about the alleged erosion of the rights of Christians in a jurisdiction that allows same-sex marriage. Since there are a significant number of these jurisdictions now, perhaps you could point to a few where Christians are being denied their human rights.

And again, as noted by Solon, we need to here what the alleged dangers are, not a laundry list of unspecified innuendos.

I would again ask Mere_Christian for specific and material harms that he can show would result from the legalization of gay marriage. Not vague assertions without evidence.

No offense, but I don't see secularists giving a damn about lascivious licentiousness seeing that porn dominates the internet and real life and our youth culture is just about as debased as it can be.

I would personally disagree with the latter statement.

However, it needs to be pointed out that, to the extent lasciviousness is increasing or is a problem, it is not the fault of gays. The heterosexuals are doing quite fine all on their own in 'sexualizing' the popular culture.

I would ask again. If we allow two consenting gay adults to form a marriage contract, what EVIDENCE is there to suggest this will increase lasciviousness or the use of porn in the wider culture.

The next logical step is pederasty and THAT IS what homosexuality is in the historical sense.

So, logically, the Christians oppose gay marriage, where consenting adults contract a monogamous relationship, because to them homosexuals are all perverts looking for children to abuse. Perhaps you should stop fighting a first century problem in the twenty-first century!

Even if there were any historical support for Mere_Christian's assertion, I fail to see how allowing gay marriage means we also have to allow pederasty (defined as relationships involving under age individuals).

This has gone unanswered.

We have many examples of locales, states, even countries, legalizing gay marriage. As far as I am aware, NONE of them has also legalized pederasty or pedophilia.

And yet, Mere_Christian insists the allowing of pederasty would be "the next logical step."

If this is the case, then why hasn't Mere_Christian been able to point to any examples of locales where legalization of pederasty followed the legalization of gay marriage? The "next logical step" implies at least a high probability that the next step is going to occur. If it is a "logical step" it would seem the people who promoted the logic of gay marriage would also be promoting this "next logical step."

Christians that oppose homosexuals and homosexuality know that gays will recruit their children in every way they can, and that secularists do not seem of the moral capacity to stop it. Actually that is already happening in our schools and entertainment venues.

Odd thing, none of my gay friends try to recruit me, my wife or my children. I guess I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd of gay folks.

I fully support efforts to keep adults from sexually preying on children, whether the adults are gay or not.

I fail to see how this requires banning gay marriage.

This has also gone unanswered. Perhaps Mere_Christian can provide some specifics as to how the banning of gay marriage will help eliminate sexual predation.

It might be good to explain how, in the absence of gay marriage, sexual predation has existed for time immemorial.

Perhaps Mere_Christian could point to some hard data showing that places thay have legalized gay marriage experienced increases in sexual predation, or increases greater than places where gay marriage continues to be banned.

[Mere_Christian]

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You cannot have gay culture and Christian truth dwelling in the same place.

I contend that until such time "Christian truth" can be shown to be, you know, truth that Christians should live their lives as they see fit, and allow others the same.

Marriage is a man and a woman, per "Jesus," that would qualify as Christian truth. Marriage as a man and a woman for the definition of family is a biological truth to kids that want a mom and a dad the traditional way and honorable way. Even still.

My question is about what YOU secularists will do us Christians when we stick to Biblical truth over pop culture?

I personally will continue to laugh in amazement that folks would believe ancient tales that have little to no corelation to reality.

If I laugh at two gay guys you lefties don't like that. Haven't you actually made it illegal? I'm not sorry that fultility in same-gender sexuality trying so hard to be equal to biologically sound sexxuality is fun to watch. Makes for great comedic fodder.

What I wouldn't do is condemn them or restrict them from doing so.

When they want it taught in PUBLIC schools you better believe it IS going to be condemned. Restrictions without doubt.

I notice the threat of forcing us to become secular businesses and THAT wll force gay culture ON US and into our Churches.

Public businesses should be bound to public law.

So much for the First Amendment. I see that that too cannot exist within gay culture.

Hmm, that is spread in public schools by GSA's run by adult gay actvists? Do we get to present a counter point to gay activism?

Yes. Only thing is you must present factual, verifiable information. That's why

the God issue is not allowed.

I'll stick to anatomy, biology and physiology to make a mockery of gay culture as a sensible sexuality. Hmm, logic and reason and my Bible closed and on the desk.

In school sex should be taught as consequences to biological sexuality.

Yes. Not as something "wicked".

Homosexuality can only be a violation of human sexuality. Zoologically as well.

That excludes homosexuality as a pop culture and places it squarely in absurdity.

Your opinion is noted.

Anatomy, physiology and biology are squarely on my side here.

That unreasoning beasts sometimes try to mount another of the same gender is no reason to raise the behavior to the level of a right to encourage humans to do.

Nor should folks be restricted based on the unproven, unprovable tales of an ancient culture.

Like Greece? How does licentiousness make a society better?

I would contend folks already have the right to do their otherwise harmless acts.

There's a large quilt with a lot of people's names on it that shows how deadly sexual deviance and licentiousness actually is. Ever seen what they write on the box of cigarettes?

I contend those who are trying to restrict such rights should stay out of their bedrooms.

"Gay," and "Lesbian" are labels to denote sex acts forst and foremost. I'd say that I'd rather see homosexuals stay out of the public sphere with their desires and behaviors being front and center.

The rectum and palate have designed purposes sceintifically. Excluding any sexuality at all.

That they can be used for sexual gratification would then require us to conclude this is part of such "design".

Scratching an itch feels good until the flesh is raw and becomes infected. This natural too? We are thinking animals sir.

Why do you have to state "excluding any sexuality at all", when it is a fact that folks use these parts for sexual gratification?

Deviance and perversion then allows for the always present "Anything Goes" of liberal ideology. People die from such behaviors. Even innocent people.

This is the problem with "design" arguments, they so often are based on one's interpretation of what constitutes proper "design".

Umm, how about logic and not emotionalism to drive this position? The anus is not a sex organ. The tongue isn't either. It feels good to eat ice cream all day long too. Licentiousness once again points the rational person to urge opposition to it.

The anatomy does not speak to gay sex in any way but aberration and deviance.

As above, the fact remains that certain organs are used in sexual gratification. That you consider such uses as "deviant" has no bearing on the facts.

It absolutely does. "You leftists" call we "anti-gay" Christians, haters and phobes. I've just proven that logic and science is ONLY on our side. We are not what you charge.

Logically and scientifically. The secularist loses the argument here on logicacl grounds.

Only when folks such as yourself require "exceptions" when making these arguments.

There is no exception to what sexuality is for mammals. Consult the anatomy once again.

Again, the facts show that such organs are used for sexual gratification, and so "design" becomes relative to the observer.

Observation through science shows that sexuality is well-defined by anatomy, biology and physiology. Now, if you want to go with psychology . . . then we're reaching reality in gay culture.

Christians that oppose a European marrying a Asian can be shown science that supports the Biblical truth on reality.

Can the Bible, or you, show that donkeys talk? Snakes talk? Folks rise up out of graves after three days? Folks can walk on water?

What I see from the Biblical record is that miracles are extremely rare. There were lots of donkeys in the old testament time period that didn't talk. How many Israelites went to their deaths without any miraculous intervention?

I suppose here "reality" becomes subjective to the observer as well.

No, no please, I'm very OK with reality guiding the Gays (GLBT's and progressives et al) versus Christians war going on.

Once again, logic is on the side of anti-gay Christian truth.

Yet so much of "Christian truth" can't be shown to be truth, much less logical.

Blah, blah, blah. It's a further stretch of actuality to show that homosexuality is NOT abnormal. It is proveably abnormal behavior. Scientifically so.

On today's slippery slope. Tomorrow there will be further assaults on morality and decency. It seems to be a problem with secularism in totality.

One man's "morals" is another's night with the hot twins.

Perfect analogy. Then stop calling we abti-gay Christians bad people. We're quite nice.

I contend that basing "morals" on ancient tales should come with evidence such tales are true.

Basing civil rights on a sexual perversion and lascivious licentiousness is even more twisted.

Porn shows us the incapability of liberals and progressives to stop the beasts they feed and clothe so well.

I don't know what porn you're watching, but I see no "beasts" in the porn I watch.

I'm talking about shattered lives of real people.

Really? I've never known the term "turned out" in the straight world. In the gay world, it seems quite the activity. And like I say, I know it for a fact.

You've been "turned out"?

They tried.

Logic is what it's all about.

Where's the logic in basing one's position on an issue in the ancient tales of Bronze Age tribesmen?

How interesting that Sodom and Gomorrah seem to be a common city condition.

Those myths and fables sure look like the five-o'clock news to me circa April 24 2009.

Ms. California anyone?