Evolution and the Global Flood

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Evolution and the Global Flood

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This thread is split from the Value of Human Life thread. THis first post, by dunsapy, raised the issue of the global flood. I have moved that discussion here as it was not really on topic in the original thread.

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[the following is by dunsapy]


Cathar1950 wrote:
There is no evidence for a flood while the Nazis kept very good records still available.
Yes the Nazis liked scientists.

A. M. Rehwinkel writes in his book The Flood:
“Large masses of granite and hard metamorphic rock, for example, which can be traced to Scandinavia,
are scattered over the plains of Denmark and northern Germany. Some of these blocks are of an immense size, weighing thousands of tons. The same phenomenon is found here in America in the New England States and in New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, in eastern and western Canada, and elsewhere. . . . In many cases the distance over which they have been transported is very great, and sometimes they are found at an elevation apparently much higher than their source.�

Some have theorized that these huge masses of stone were carried to their present locations on top of glaciers during an ice age. “However, these boulders are also found in warmer climates far from any signs of glaciation. For example, in Southern California,� notes the book Target: Earth. glaciers cannot account for many of these “erratic� rock masses resting on ground higher, sometimes thousands of feet higher, than their apparent original location. “And there is still another problem connected with the erratics for which the glacial theory has no satisfactory answer,� observes Rehwinkel:
“And that is the question of the mixture of rocks in one locality brought there from sources lying in opposite directions. This phenomenon has been observed in several places of the earth. One of them is in Saxony, where rocks are found lying together of which some had their source in Scandinavia in the north, while others were carried there from some source in the south. . . . Moving ice cannot accumulate boulders from opposite directions and deposit them together at one place

Interestingly, in the United States, England, France, southern Spain, Germany, Russia and elsewhere huge fissures in the earth have been found filled with the remains of large numbers of animals. They include mixtures of bones of the elephant, rhinoceros, hippopotamus, reindeer, horse, hog, bear, and many others. One such cavern near Palermo, Sicily, yielded more than twenty tons of bones for commercial purposes. Often these fissures are located on isolated hills at considerable height where animals would be expected to flee from floodwaters that “kept increasing greatly upon the earth.� (Gen. 7:18) With regard to the variety of animal remains found in one bone cave, the book Earth’s Most Challenging Mysteries asks:
“What made rabbits run into the same cave as coyotes? And an antelope with a wolverine and a grizzly? Bones of the mastodon were found, also a few reptiles . . . The whole mass of bones was covered and preserved by a flood deposit of gravel and rocks.�
An extraordinary testimony to the widespread watery destruction of animal life is the remains of the mammoths found throughout northern Siberia and into Alaska. Hundreds of thousands (some estimate as many as 5,000,000) of these creatures were rapidly buried and quick-frozen in icy muck. They are sometimes found in a near-perfect state of preservation, with undigested tropical vegetation in their stomachs and between their teeth. As to the type of catastrophe that could sweep away creatures over so widespread an area, Earth’s Most Challenging Mysteries observes:
“There is one significant fact that is always connected with every dinosaur fossil and every mammoth fossil, and that is that every fossil is almost invariably dug out of water-laid sedimentary rock. Every fossil is either dug out of shale, which is just floodwater mud hardened into rock, or out of floodwater sand hardened into sandstone, or frozen into permafrost.�
Target: Earth notes with regard to the Yukon district of North America: “The presence of bones, trees, peat, and other debris all mixed together down to a depth of nearly 100 feet, points to a cataclysmic flood of tremendous proportions that must have moved across the land, grinding the bodies of the animals with stones and trees and spreading the whole out over the Yukon Valley.�
And when the destruction had been accomplished, what happened to the floodwaters? A sinking of the sea basins would cause the waters to collect there, allowing dry land to appear again. (Compare Psalm 104:8.) In the oceans today there is more than enough water to have accomplished what the Bible describes; 71 percent of the earth’s surface is water, with an average depth of two and a half miles.
ps( this is mostly quoted from JW's books I don't claim any credit for it.)

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Please answer my question: What are your views or how do you consider the current pre-biotic models e.g. Iron-Sulphur model. Come on please think for yourself ! I can understand you problem with something new given the Bible and Quran is frozen in time, unaltered since it was invented some hundreds of years ago but that doesn't mean you can't think for yourself.
Have they produced life?
We want to hear what you think not what you repeat.
Yes I know, science likes opinions , not facts, but I personally like to back up what I say.

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Yet you have not backed up one claim YOU HAVE MADE.
Science likes facts and all you have is opinion that goes against and ignores the facts.
You are backwards.
When you said that , I thought of this scripture:
Isa 5:20 Woe to those who are saying that good is bad and bad is good, those who are putting darkness for light and light for darkness, those who are putting bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

I thought it fit some how.

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dunsapy wrote:
Now it's the spring equinox the ticks are out. They die off later in the Summer but right now we end up with ticks on the cats. Last year our tom cat was out for a few days and he got a tick on his head which got infected.

Why exactly did God create ticks ?
yes I know in the area I live in ticks are common. Some birds eat ticks. They can also cause disease, so only healthy animals survive.The bible says that God cursed the ground. And that from now on, in the sweat your face you will eat. This cursing could also mean an increase of all kinds of pests. God did use this sometimes in the bible for a punishment to a people., or nation.
But God created the ticks at the time of the creation. Actually God not only created 1 tick but an estimated 900 different species all the way up to the Paralysis Tick in Australia (I've lived in Australian and would seriously ask God, WFT is it with Aussie bugs and virulent overkill toxins ?).

The Bible doesn't mention Ticks. It also doesn't mention the bacteria e.g. in the Lyme Disease. The Bible is pretty useless for your argument so you resort to inventing your own scripture.

Unless you can show me the Bible passage that says that Pests were created after Adam and Eve were kicked out I think we can say that you are somewhat of a stranger with the truth in this matter.

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But God created the ticks at the time of the creation. Actually God not only created 1 tick but an estimated 900 different species all the way up to the Paralysis Tick in Australia (I've lived in Australian and would seriously ask God, WFT is it with Aussie bugs and virulent overkill toxins ?).

The Bible doesn't mention Ticks. It also doesn't mention the bacteria e.g. in the Lyme Disease. The Bible is pretty useless for your argument so you resort to inventing your own scripture.

Unless you can show me the Bible passage that says that Pests were created after Adam and Eve were kicked out I think we can say that you are somewhat of a stranger with the truth in this matter.
dunsapy wrote:
This cursing could also mean an increase of all kinds of pests.
If you read my post I never said God created pests after Adam. I said an increasing of pests. There were probably lots of pests, before Adam.
In my research, I think science has found some , not a lot .

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