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Something Bad Jesus Did

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Once, I was asked if there was anything bad Jesus did in his life. I thought for a while and the following came up to my mind.

Yes, there was something Jesus did, which I wish he had not done, because it does
not represent well the People he belonged to.

Once a Gentile Canaanite mother was crying after him, asking for her daughter to be cured, and Jesus would not give a damn to her. His disciples told him to do something for that woman or discard her, because she was making them go crazy with her non-stop crying.

What did Jesus say? I haven't come for Gentiles but ONLY for the House of Israel. Then, kept on going and the woman kept on crying and following him.

When he couldn't take any longer, he stopped and told her something more or less in the following terms: Hey, listen, what do you want from me? To cure my daughter Master. No way, I cannot take of the food of the children and throw it unto the dogs.

He meant the Jews for the children, and the Gentiles for the dogs. But only after the woman understood and recognized her condition of dog, by saying that the dogs also feed from the crumbles that fall from the table of the children, Jesus saw that he would never get rid of that woman. So, he changed his mind and cured her
daughter. Then, to erase a little the impression left on her for being forced to recognize her doggy condition, he mentioned something about her strong faith and left.

That was terrible, if we can imagine what that poor mother went through till she got
what she wanted. The text is in Matthew 15:21-28.

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http://bible.cc/galatians/2-2.htm

And I quote: “For at least ten years he had been preaching among the Gentiles with great success, calling upon them to obey the gospel, not the law of Moses.�

He even says so himself that he preached to Gentiles. Can’t have read that new Testament very thoroughly, what?
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Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:http://bible.cc/galatians/2-2.htm

And I quote: “For at least ten years he had been preaching among the Gentiles with great success, calling upon them to obey the gospel, not the law of Moses.�

He even says so himself that he preached to Gentiles. Can’t have read that new Testament very thoroughly, what?
Can you quote something about Paul preaching to the Gentiles for ten years?
What I have from Acts 21:21 is that he used to preach to the Jews, teaching them
to abandon Moses, to stop circumcising their children, and to renounce the Jewish
customs.

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Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:http://bible.cc/galatians/2-2.htm

And I quote: “For at least ten years he had been preaching among the Gentiles with great success, calling upon them to obey the gospel, not the law of Moses.�

He even says so himself that he preached to Gentiles. Can’t have read that new Testament very thoroughly, what?

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Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:http://bible.cc/galatians/2-2.htm

And I quote: “For at least ten years he had been preaching among the Gentiles with great success, calling upon them to obey the gospel, not the law of Moses.�

He even says so himself that he preached to Gentiles. Can’t have read that new Testament very thoroughly, what?

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It's not like that's the only terrible thing Jesus did or had done. Luke 19:29-34 he sent two of his disciples to steal a horse. He advocated slavery on several occasions. In Matthew 10:34 he explicity states that he cares nothing for peace and has come to 'send a sword'. Mark 14:3-9 Jesus decides to lavishly waste ointment upon his forehead instead of selling it to feed the poor.

If the man existed, he was certainly not a nice guy.

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And then there was the time he cast out some demons into a herd of pigs. The pigs all died and the swineherds had part of their livelihood destroyed. Why wouldn't the almighty Son of God not simply just destroy the demons or send them to Pluto?
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Ben Masada wrote:
Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:http://bible.cc/galatians/2-2.htm

And I quote: “For at least ten years he had been preaching among the Gentiles with great success, calling upon them to obey the gospel, not the law of Moses.�

He even says so himself that he preached to Gentiles. Can’t have read that new Testament very thoroughly, what?
What was the point of simply quoting my previous post and not commenting upon it?
TheMessage wrote:It's not like that's the only terrible thing Jesus did or had done. Luke 19:29-34 he sent two of his disciples to steal a horse. He advocated slavery on several occasions. In Matthew 10:34 he explicity states that he cares nothing for peace and has come to 'send a sword'. Mark 14:3-9 Jesus decides to lavishly waste ointment upon his forehead instead of selling it to feed the poor.

If the man existed, he was certainly not a nice guy.
Or amusingly irrational things like cursing a fig tree for not bearing fruit because he was hungry… even though it was out of season! You can explain it by the fact that the area of Galilee was more fertile, and fig trees grew there around 10 months out of 12. In the harsher Jerusalem environment, however, he didn't expect a shortage of figs, so it surprised him. Lacking knowledge about local farming conditions for a supposed god, what?
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Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:http://bible.cc/galatians/2-2.htm

And I quote: “For at least ten years he had been preaching among the Gentiles with great success, calling upon them to obey the gospel, not the law of Moses.�

He even says so himself that he preached to Gentiles. Can’t have read that new Testament very thoroughly, what?


I have read the NT more than several times, and I can't find more than 2 percent of Paul's missionary work among the Gentiles. Almost the whole of his missionary activities, or about 98 percent was in the synagogues of the Jews in general and the Nazarenes in particular.

Would you be able to quote your own NT to prove him building a church of Gentiles? I would appreciate. I think Paul was never able to raise a church from scratch. He would build only on the foundations of others by overturning the synagogues of the Nazarenes into Christian churches.

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McCulloch wrote:And then there was the time he cast out some demons into a herd of pigs. The pigs all died and the swineherds had part of their livelihood destroyed. Why wouldn't the almighty Son of God not simply just destroy the demons or send them to Pluto?
That could never have happened for two reasons: That's an interpolation to enhance the power of Jesus over imaginary demons. Jesus was Jewish. Jews don't believe in demons as beings that can be taken from a place and deposited in another.

The other reason is that it was against the Law to room around with pigs in public.
If it is today, one can imagine how it was in the First Century.

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TheMessage wrote:It's not like that's the only terrible thing Jesus did or had done. Luke 19:29-34 he sent two of his disciples to steal a horse. He advocated slavery on several occasions. In Matthew 10:34 he explicity states that he cares nothing for peace and has come to 'send a sword'. Mark 14:3-9 Jesus decides to lavishly waste ointment upon his forehead instead of selling it to feed the poor.

If the man existed, he was certainly not a nice guy.

Oh no! Make no mistake. Jesus was a nice guy; just a little too nationalistic besides his aversion to Gentiles, that's all. (Mat. 10:5)

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