Value of the human life.

[Confused]

The question for this thread is quite simple to ask, though may not be so simple to answer.

Is there anything that can be found in scripture, the teachings of Christ or the teachings that preceded Him, that gives value to human life on earth? Is there anything to indicate that God gives value to human life?

[JoeyKnothead]

In respect for the OPer, cnorman18, goat, and another member, all who have presented sound reasons for me to hush up, I will retract what parts of previous statements were stupid, and, well, seems like that's all I did

I know it is difficult to do once I walk in a room but y'all just carry on like I was never here.

[cnorman18]

Joey, my friend, step back one and look again.

The question on this thread is about the CONTENT of the Bible, not its TRUTH.

Confused asked if there was anything in the Bible that indicated that God values human life.

There is.

That's all.

Whether or not those verses are TRUE is a separate question that's not under debate here.

If someone were to ask, "Is there anything in Moby Dick that indicates that Melville thought that whales are fish and not mammals?" and I answered, "Yes, there is," and gave the page and chapter numbers, can you see that whether or not that is true is not the question?

"God values human life" is indeed a claim that may or may not be true.

But:

"The Bible says that God values human life" is a factual, true statement.

Do you see the difference?

I understand your concern about unsubstantiated claims here; but you are not required to challenge every single mention of every single claim that is even tangentially alluded to in an unrelated debate.

[JoeyKnothead]

Joey, my friend, step back one and look again.

The question on this thread is about the CONTENT of the Bible, not its TRUTH.

Confused asked if there was anything in the Bible that indicated that God values human life.

There is.

That's all.

Whether or not those verses are TRUE is a separate question that's not under debate here.

If someone were to ask, "Is there anything in Moby Dick that indicates that Melville thought that whales are fish and not mammals?" and I answered, "Yes, there is," and gave the page and chapter numbers, can you see that whether or not that is true is not the question?

"God values human life" is indeed a claim that may or may not be true.

But:

"The Bible says that God values human life" is a factual, true statement.

Do you see the difference?

I understand your concern about unsubstantiated claims here; but you are not required to challenge every single mention of every single claim that is even tangentially alluded to in an unrelated debate.

I can dig it. I wish to respect the OP, the OPer, and the various folks who have tried to make me see that my take is not the be all and end all.

I understand your concern about unsubstantiated claims here; but you are not required to challenge every single mention of every single claim that is even tangentially alluded to in an unrelated debate.

That does seem to be all I do anymore. LOL Stupid is as stupid hey look a cookie.

I apologize to all for dragging the thread off topic.

[cnorman18]

I understand your concern about unsubstantiated claims here; but you are not required to challenge every single mention of every single claim that is even tangentially alluded to in an unrelated debate.

That does seem to be all I do anymore. LOL Stupid is as stupid hey look a cookie.

I apologize to all for dragging the thread off topic.

Not necessary. You've been playing whack-a-mole with these claims for so long, it's no surprise that this one got you to hit it, too.

I would add this; when unsubstantiated claims ARE being presented - keep up the good work.

[myth-one.com]

The Bible states:

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13)

Your life is your most valuable possession. Given enough time, every other item you own can be replaced.

just to quibble. I would disagree with the initial statement. both of them actually.
1) if your life was the most valuable thing you have, then why would it be good to lay down your life for anything? that would seem senseless.

2) there are many other thing which cannot be replaced. Your eye, a lung, your heart, your brain(well transplants, but no brain transplants). A leg that you lose can't be replaced, sentimentally valuable objects cannot be replaced.

The verse does not say that it is good. Only that it is the greatest sign of love. The implication is that it is the most one can do. If you can swap your life for the life of another, you can do no more! I can see myself taking a bullet or somehow dying for one of my children or grandchildren if possible. Probably just "John Wayne" fantasy, but if the opportunity ever occurs, I hope I accept that choice.

Regarding number two: Words like all and every should never appear in my posts, but somehow they continue to sneak in. They always imply haste and recklessness on my part. Sorry.

Yea, I know I'm quibbling now. Quibbling provokes quibbling (sometimes).

[Greatest I Am]

The question for this thread is quite simple to ask, though may not be so simple to answer.

Is there anything that can be found in scripture, the teachings of Christ or the teachings that preceded Him, that gives value to human life on earth? Is there anything to indicate that God gives value to human life?

If you believe that God gave man dominion over the earth then yes there is cause to think that God values human life.

If you believe in the genocidal maniac of Noah's flood then the reverse would be true. God does not value human life.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13)"

If this is a true statement then the Jesus/God should have given his life to save the all but 8 of the great flood.

This indicates that Jesus would not agree with this quote.

He did not live this way. He allowed many men, women, children and babies to drown.

Not nice to be a traitor to your own species.

Regards
DL

[Flail]

In the OP,confused asks two questions...

1.Is there anything in scripture...in the Bible...that values human life?...answer ...No
...The various people who authored the bible could be said to have written about certain values that life may obtain... but a book cannot give value...it can only comment upon it and discuss it...but it is up to the reader to take away from any what he will....good or bad...valuable or waste...

the second question....

2. Is there anything(in the Bible) to indicate that God gives value to human life?...again the answer is a resounding...No...nothing at all....there is nothing at all in the Bible to prove or provide evidence that the compilation of writings called the Bible is about any real God at all...again,the Bible is simply a book,written by various males in antuquity,the truth of which is totally unavailable and speculative at best.... and so this book is simply a compilation of stories and ideas...which may or may not be worthwhile to any particular individual reading the same...but as as to any claim that these writings have anything at all to do with any particular God(s) ...this claim is preposterous.....

[myth-one.com]

If you believe that God gave man dominion over the earth then yes there is cause to think that God values human life.

If you believe in the genocidal maniac of Noah's flood then the reverse would be true. God does not value human life.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13)"

If this is a true statement then the Jesus/God should have given his life to save the all but 8 of the great flood.

This indicates that Jesus would not agree with this quote.

He did not live this way. He allowed many men, women, children and babies to drown.

Not nice to be a traitor to your own species.

Regards
DL

It was impossible for Jesus to die and save those killed in the flood during Noah's time! Jesus did not exist until being born at Bethelehem in the New Testament.

[FinalEnigma]

I would swear I've heard Christians say that Jesus always existed. Personally I think that's ridiculous, but I've heard Christians say it before.

[Greatest I Am]

If you believe that God gave man dominion over the earth then yes there is cause to think that God values human life.

If you believe in the genocidal maniac of Noah's flood then the reverse would be true. God does not value human life.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13)"

If this is a true statement then the Jesus/God should have given his life to save the all but 8 of the great flood.

This indicates that Jesus would not agree with this quote.

He did not live this way. He allowed many men, women, children and babies to drown.

Not nice to be a traitor to your own species.

Regards
DL

It was impossible for Jesus to die and save those killed in the flood during Noah's time! Jesus did not exist until being born at Bethelehem in the New Testament.

Are you saying that there was no trinity in the beginning. Most Christians I talk to think that the trinity was always a trinity and not a twonity.

If you are right though then was God only one while the other produced Jesus?

How confusing is that trinity concept eh. You have God going from two to three. That is a huge change. God is said not to change.

Regards
DL