What is the message of 1 Corinthians 11 wrt women?

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:36 pm

[...] I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. [...] [Man] is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake.[...]
However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God.
1 Corinthians 11 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Copyright Â© 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation

Question for debate: What is the message that the writer is trying to convey about the relation between men and women? Ensure that your answer takes into account textual, theological and cultural context.

Thought Criminal · Post by **Thought Criminal** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:16 pm

InTheFlesh wrote:You are the one claiming they did not present themselves as married.
That doesn't mean they were not married like the scriptures say.
Adam and Eve were the foundation of marriage,
and you say they were not married?

Hey, they're FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. They can't be the foundation of anything.

TC

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:19 pm

TC wrote:
"Lack of sex is sufficient basis for annulling a marriage as unconsummated."

Why is that?
What does sex have to do with marriage?
How does a gay couple consummate a marriage?
Does oral or anal sex count? (I'm not trying to be gross)

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:23 pm

Thought Criminal wrote:
InTheFlesh wrote:You are the one claiming they did not present themselves as married.
That doesn't mean they were not married like the scriptures say.
Adam and Eve were the foundation of marriage,
and you say they were not married?
Hey, they're FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. They can't be the foundation of anything.

TC

Do you have any evidence to support your claim?
What scientific proof can you provide to show they were not real people?
I'll answer it for you.
NONE!

Thought Criminal · Post by **Thought Criminal** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:39 pm

InTheFlesh wrote:
Thought Criminal wrote:
InTheFlesh wrote:You are the one claiming they did not present themselves as married.
That doesn't mean they were not married like the scriptures say.
Adam and Eve were the foundation of marriage,
and you say they were not married?
Hey, they're FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. They can't be the foundation of anything.
Do you have any evidence to support your claim?
What scientific proof can you provide to show they were not real people?
I'll answer it for you.
NONE!

Why do you pretend that we need to disprove unsupported claims? Can science prove James Bond was only fictional? Does it need to? They're just stories.

TC

Thought Criminal · Post by **Thought Criminal** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:55 pm

InTheFlesh wrote:TC wrote:
"Lack of sex is sufficient basis for annulling a marriage as unconsummated."

Why is that?
What does sex have to do with marriage?
How does a gay couple consummate a marriage?
Does oral or anal sex count? (I'm not trying to be gross)

Yes, people are expected to have sex with your spouse at some point or another. I suppose there are still people who marry without first having had sex with their partner. If they still don't have sex after the wedding, that's sufficient basis to undo the marriage.

Presumably, gay married couples have gay sex. There's nothing icky about oral or anal sex. If it's icky, you're doing it wrong.

TC

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:59 pm

Why do you pretend by putting the James Bond story
and the Word of God at the same level?
How will any Christian take you serious?
It's supported by the Word of God.
The stamp of truth.
I will take his word over yours
any day of the week and twice on Sundays!

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:01 pm

Thought Criminal wrote:
InTheFlesh wrote:TC wrote:
"Lack of sex is sufficient basis for annulling a marriage as unconsummated."

Why is that?
What does sex have to do with marriage?
How does a gay couple consummate a marriage?
Does oral or anal sex count? (I'm not trying to be gross)
Yes, people are expected to have sex with your spouse at some point or another. I suppose there are still people who marry without first having had sex with their partner. If they still don't have sex after the wedding, that's sufficient basis to undo the marriage.

Presumably, gay married couples have gay sex. There's nothing icky about oral or anal sex. If it's icky, you're doing it wrong.

TC

You failed to answer the questions as usual.
What does sex have to do with marriage?
You like to talk in circles, but you have no depth to your argument.

Thought Criminal · Post by **Thought Criminal** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:01 pm

InTheFlesh wrote:Why do you pretend by putting the James Bond story
and the Word of God at the same level?
How will any Christian take you serious?
It's supported by the Word of God.
The stamp of truth.
I will take his word over yours
any day of the week and twice on Sundays!

They're both just stories.

TC

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:05 pm

Thought Criminal wrote:
InTheFlesh wrote:Why do you pretend by putting the James Bond story
and the Word of God at the same level?
How will any Christian take you serious?
It's supported by the Word of God.
The stamp of truth.
I will take his word over yours
any day of the week and twice on Sundays!
They're both just stories.

TC

The day will come,
when ALL will be convinced.
Stay tuned!

Thought Criminal · Post by **Thought Criminal** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:08 pm

InTheFlesh wrote:
Thought Criminal wrote:
InTheFlesh wrote:Why do you pretend by putting the James Bond story
and the Word of God at the same level?
How will any Christian take you serious?
It's supported by the Word of God.
The stamp of truth.
I will take his word over yours
any day of the week and twice on Sundays!
They're both just stories.

TC
The day will come,
when ALL will be convinced.
Stay tuned!

Pigs will fly, too.

TC