Incest in the bible!!! And no reproach by God!!

[muhammad rasullah]

II Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
If the bible is God's word this is how we would know it by each and everything from scripture fitting into one of these categories. So if it doesn't as II Timothy says then this particular scripture would not be by inspiration thus making the bible fallible since christians claim it all to be inspired by God. Let's examine shall we!!

Genesis 35:22 And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve:
Do you see how the incest between mother and son is mentioned and then overlooked as an after thought like it didn't occur.

[Ayah5768]

The bulk of the Bible before the Jews is a history of the Hebrew people who came before the Jews. They are part of the history of the Jews.

As to whether it is your fault that there is a common understanding of the word incest: well, no... obviously. I was just explaining why I got so side tracked. I even admitted that while the dictionary I used spoke of blood relations, yours did not and that your definition of the word does leave room for your interpretation. I disagree with your use of that word because, as previously stated, it is not the commonly understood meaning of the word and lends itself to confusion when used in this context. Nevertheless, if you want to call it incest you are clearly correct in doing so. It is a poor choice, but a technically correct one.

Anyway, I am going to be honest and say that I didn't read your entire previous post because my previous post was meant to end my part of this conversation. Not to toot my own horn, but I feel like I did quite well in explaining our complication and my part in it.

So, please enjoy the rest of your conversation. My part has concluded.

Shalom,

Ayah

[Rathpig]

1). Yahweh approved of incest.
2). Islam embraces the Abrahamic mythology of the Hebrews.
3). Therefore, Allah approves of incest. (Didn't the world begin with Adam and Eve?)


1). Mohammad married and consummated with a 9 year old
2). Pedophilia is the sexual love of prepubescents
3). Mohammad is therefore a pedophile
4). Allah obviously approves of pedophilia



Allah approves of both incest and pedophilia. It is logically impossible to talk around this fact. Unless of course one admits that all this is simply mythology embraced by a primitive and ignorant group.


No literal interpretation of Abrahamic mythology has a place in 2008. "Worshiping" gods who readily approve of incest and pedophilia is laughable. Can everyone please join the 21st century and leave these ignorant superstitions in the past?

[daedalus 2.0]

1). Yahweh approved of incest.
2). Islam embraces the Abrahamic mythology of the Hebrews.
3). Therefore, Allah approves of incest. (Didn't the world begin with Adam and Eve?)


1). Mohammad married and consummated with a 9 year old
2). Pedophilia is the sexual love of prepubescents
3). Mohammad is therefore a pedophile
4). Allah obviously approves of pedophilia



Allah approves of both incest and pedophilia. It is logically impossible to talk around this fact. Unless of course one admits that all this is simply mythology embraced by a primitive and ignorant group.


No literal interpretation of Abrahamic mythology has a place in 2008. "Worshiping" gods who readily approve of incest and pedophilia is laughable. Can everyone please join the 21st century and leave these ignorant superstitions in the past?

AMEN!!!!!!

[muhammad rasullah]

1). Yahweh approved of incest.
2). Islam embraces the Abrahamic mythology of the Hebrews.
3). Therefore, Allah approves of incest. (Didn't the world begin with Adam and Eve?)


1). Mohammad married and consummated with a 9 year old
2). Pedophilia is the sexual love of prepubescents
3). Mohammad is therefore a pedophile
4). Allah obviously approves of pedophilia



Allah approves of both incest and pedophilia. It is logically impossible to talk around this fact. Unless of course one admits that all this is simply mythology embraced by a primitive and ignorant group.


No literal interpretation of Abrahamic mythology has a place in 2008. "Worshiping" gods who readily approve of incest and pedophilia is laughable. Can everyone please join the 21st century and leave these ignorant superstitions in the past?

1.) Islam doesn't embrace any mythology because myths aren't true
2.) Allah doesn't approve of incest
3.) yes the prophet did marry a Aisha when she was 9, And to consummate means to bring to agreement by contract this is the consummation of marriage referred to in the hadith.
4.) Pedophilia is the sexual encounters with prepubescents
5.) Aisha was not prepubesscent she reached puberty
6.) therefore Muhammad was not a pedophile
7.) Allah does not approve of pedophilia

Allah does not approve of incest nor pedophilia. Well around the time of the prophets and after there probably were people who didn't believe that there was a creator, but they were only few as there is today compared to the amount of people in the world who call upon someone or something to worship. This is evidence that it is in the human nature and a need to call upon something else higher than themselves because they recognize there is something greater than themselves to have created the earth as perfect as we live upon. So if I were a betting man I would bet that you are wrong my friend in saying that there is no God and God doesn't exists. Why dont you come to the 21st century and give up your faulty dispositions about the existence of God.

[Goat]

1). Yahweh approved of incest.
2). Islam embraces the Abrahamic mythology of the Hebrews.
3). Therefore, Allah approves of incest. (Didn't the world begin with Adam and Eve?)


1). Mohammad married and consummated with a 9 year old
2). Pedophilia is the sexual love of prepubescents
3). Mohammad is therefore a pedophile
4). Allah obviously approves of pedophilia



Allah approves of both incest and pedophilia. It is logically impossible to talk around this fact. Unless of course one admits that all this is simply mythology embraced by a primitive and ignorant group.


No literal interpretation of Abrahamic mythology has a place in 2008. "Worshiping" gods who readily approve of incest and pedophilia is laughable. Can everyone please join the 21st century and leave these ignorant superstitions in the past?

1.) Islam doesn't embrace any mythology because myths aren't true
2.) Allah doesn't approve of incest
3.) yes the prophet did marry a Aisha when she was 9, And to consummate means to bring to agreement by contract this is the consummation of marriage referred to in the hadith.
4.) Pedophilia is the sexual encounters with prepubescents
5.) Aisha was not prepubesscent she reached puberty
6.) therefore Muhammad was not a pedophile
7.) Allah does not approve of pedophilia

Allah does not approve of incest nor pedophilia. Well around the time of the prophets and after there probably were people who didn't believe that there was a creator, but they were only few as there is today compared to the amount of people in the world who call upon someone or something to worship. This is evidence that it is in the human nature and a need to call upon something else higher than themselves because they recognize there is something greater than themselves to have created the earth as perfect as we live upon. So if I were a betting man I would bet that you are wrong my friend in saying that there is no God and God doesn't exists. Why dont you come to the 21st century and give up your faulty dispositions about the existence of God.

You claim that there is no Mythology in the Koran.

Yet, the Koran talks about mythical creatures.

Let's see some actual evidence of , oh, let's say Djinn that isn't some poor person attributing their own mind experiences to Djinn.

[ken1burton]

“Where does God reprove the incest in the Bible.�

God reproved it all “IN CHRIST� the day of the Cross, Past and present sins then by “With His stripes we are healed.� Then with Jesus taking future sins to Golgotha and dying, making an end of sins as Daniel 9:24 foretold.

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Ezekiel 22:6 Behold, the princes of Israel, every one were in thee to their power to shed blood.
7 In thee have they set light by father and mother: in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger: in thee have they vexed the fatherless and the widow.
8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths.
9 In thee are men that carry tales to shed blood: and in thee they eat upon the mountains: in the midst of thee they commit lewdness.
10 In thee have they discovered their fathers' nakedness: in thee have they humbled her that was set apart for pollution.
11 And one hath committed abomination with his neighbour's wife; and another hath lewdly defiled his daughter in law; and another in thee hath humbled his sister, his father's daughter.
12 In thee have they taken gifts to shed blood; thou hast taken usury and increase, and thou hast greedily gained of thy neighbours by extortion, and hast forgotten me, saith the Lord GOD.
13 Behold, therefore I have smitten mine hand at thy dishonest gain which thou hast made, and at thy blood which hath been in the midst of thee.

All seen as “IN THEE� or in Christ with all iniquity laid upon Jesus, Even Incest. So every man will be put to death for HIS OWN SIN (Deuteronomy 24:16) and for INCEST as well as the other sins, God put the guilty party on the center cross to death, at Golgotha.

Ken

[Word_Swordsman]

II Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
If the bible is God's word this is how we would know it by each and everything from scripture fitting into one of these categories. So if it doesn't as II Timothy says then this particular scripture would not be by inspiration thus making the bible fallible since christians claim it all to be inspired by God. Let's examine shall we!!

Genesis 35:22 And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve:
Do you see how the incest between mother and son is mentioned and then overlooked as an after thought like it didn't occur.

At that time "incest" didn't exist as a sin, but was a legitimate way to obey God's command to increase the human stock. Law was added as men spawned sin. Come the later Moses' time, marrying too close to family ties had become a threat to both the human gnome and to the blood line of the future Christ, so increasingly became a matter of law. Therefore, in Moses such family intermarriage became more a sin than a meeting of God's command to replenish the Earth.

[Thought Criminal]

At that time "incest" didn't exist as a sin, but was a legitimate way to obey God's command to increase the human stock. Law was added as men spawned sin. Come the later Moses' time, marrying too close to family ties had become a threat to both the human gnome and to the blood line of the future Christ, so increasingly became a matter of law. Therefore, in Moses such family intermarriage became more a sin than a meeting of God's command to replenish the Earth.

How quickly you turn from claiming the the Bible offers absolute, transcendental ethics to embracing cultural relativism.

TC

[muhammad rasullah]

II Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
If the bible is God's word this is how we would know it by each and everything from scripture fitting into one of these categories. So if it doesn't as II Timothy says then this particular scripture would not be by inspiration thus making the bible fallible since christians claim it all to be inspired by God. Let's examine shall we!!

Genesis 35:22 And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve:
Do you see how the incest between mother and son is mentioned and then overlooked as an after thought like it didn't occur.

At that time "incest" didn't exist as a sin, but was a legitimate way to obey God's command to increase the human stock. Law was added as men spawned sin. Come the later Moses' time, marrying too close to family ties had become a threat to both the human gnome and to the blood line of the future Christ, so increasingly became a matter of law. Therefore, in Moses such family intermarriage became more a sin than a meeting of God's command to replenish the Earth.

Where does it say that int he bible dont make up your beliefs as you go along. Sleeping with your father;s wife was always a sin. What about raping your sister is that a sin and where is the reproach by God for that in the bible.In 2Samuel it is laid out by detail how Amnon raped his sister Tamar and played sick so she could come cook for him then told the guards to leave so he could rape her. His own sisters this is incest and was not allowed as Tamar says to Amnon when he tells her to lay with him 2Sam 13:11 And when she had brought [them] unto him to eat, he took hold of her, and said unto her, Come lie with me, my sister.
13:12 And she answered him, Nay, my brother, do not force me; for no such thing ought to be done in Israel: do not thou this folly.

What did God say in the bible to this action done by Amnon? What repraoch is done?

13:13 And I, whither shall I cause my shame to go? and as for thee, thou shalt be as one of the fools in Israel. Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee.
13:14 Howbeit he would not hearken unto her voice: but, being stronger than she, forced her, and lay with her.
Now when david heard about what happened he didnt do anything to Amnon and it wasnt til two years later that his brother Absalom killed him. So King david didnt do anything and God gave no reproach about it in his so called word.