Is blasphemy worse than infanticide?

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread on the topic of the dispicable things done in the name of religion, a Christian made this absolutely appalling and sickening statement in regards to infanticide:

What those persecutors did to fellow humans isn't nearly as troublesome to God as what many atheists do right here and elsewhere, daily blaspheming the Holy Spirit, knowing the truth but rejecting it. God hates the shedding of innocent blood, listing that as one the top seven sins, yet none come close to blasphemy.

Yes. Believe it or not, this person had the audacity to suggest that blaspheming God is worse than infanticide!

Is blasphemy worse than infaticide? If yes, In what way?

Why would blasphemy upset an all-knowing, all-powerful perfect being?

What negative effects could it possibly have on this being or anyone else for that matter?

[Word_Swordsman]

All you are doing is coming in here with warped teachings, that aren't biblical and making personal attacks on people. All you are doing is making Christians look bad and giving your God a bad name.

According to the Bible you are not fit for plowing, having turned back, so you are no judge of truth. You can't find one of my doctrines that the Bible doesn't support. You are a shame on atheists. I used to bemoan Satan grabbing up a lot of fine minds, but now I know I labored under a false assumption.

In this sub forum the Bible is admitted as a valid testimony. I am not making up tales, but relaying what the Bible teaches. I do understand how it is fools regard Bible teachings as fairy tales. If you refuse to allow that then you should vacate this sub forum.

This entire post has been nothing but a personal attack on Joey. You are a fine one to talk about forum rules when you break them by resorting to calling people names. Why should your bible be respected when you won't respect other members of this site?

Beg pardon. I didn't post to Joey until about page 4 or 5, responding to his declarations of doctrines nowhere found in any Bible. Until then his comments were not worth replying to, but the stink rose too high. There is no respecting of me or any Christian, or the Bible, by you folks calling God "evil". In the absence of any respect whatsoever from atheists here it appears there is no value in adding respect towards them. That virtue is one atheists probably never will comprehend adequately.

I've already seen you made God's fool list too. He says it, I believe it, therefore I say you are a fool on that basis. This isn't mere name calling. I am passing on God's perspective, which I accept as my own.

No, what you are doing is deliberately being offensive to other members of this board. Is this the way the Holy Spirit works?

Since God took a stand employing the title "fool" towards atheists, I have to take that as a valid descriptor wherever it applies. Again, your inability to comprehend the word of God leaves you offended instead of wisely warned to change behavior. Hey, I haven't called any of you some of the names Jesus called the Pharisees, words considered very offensive in that culture. He couldn't call them fools because they claimed to believe there is a god. Your problem is the world took that word and diluted it, while I use it in its concentrated original form.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves wise they became fools.

Ah, what a total wreck of context you made there! Here's a greater part of the passage: Romans 1:18-23 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; [19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, [23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."

The passage was concerning ungodly, unrighteous men, which of course includes atheists. Boy, did you step back in your pile this time! You are indeed ignorant of the Bible! No wonder your first taste of Christianity went sour. You never had a clue about that.

Nowhere in that passage is anything said to contradict scriptures that declare me, a believer in Christ, as having the mind of Christ, all mysteries revealed, the wisdom of God. Need some references about what God says about His children? Those are pearls, so I can't cast them here. Go look em up. As for me, I remain included in this commandment in 2 Tim. 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." I have seen to that consistently for over 40 years running to date. It is GOD who declares over me wisdom, knowledge, power, a sound mind. 2 Cor. 10:13 "But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you."

That's what the bible says about you WS. That's not a personal attack either. I'm simply quoting what God says about you.

I should be nice and not heap more disgrace on you. But I must. The scripture you quoted against me is for atheists. No personal attack intended, just the facts, man, just the facts. The ones professing to be wise are atheists in that passage, and I can assure you, in context with the whole chapter! Just pitiful! Good grief!

[Word_Swordsman]

Where in the bible does it seperate Blasphemy into degrees?

Again...Matthew 12:31-32 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. [32] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

"Speaking against" something holy among the Jews was an act lumped into the general term "blasphemy". Jesus was saying in other words you can blaspheme the Father and the Son, and still find forgiveness. But once the Spirit is blasphemed, all avenues of forgiveness are lost. There are two degrees of blasphemy there. Another degree is the use of the word in a false accusation, as the priests against Jesus over His doctrine. They accused Jesus of blaspheming their doctrines which had departed wildly from the Torah, too many regulations of men presented as law of God.

Blasphemy comes in different packages. As applies in the Bible it is speaking evil, railing against, defaming, slandering, insulting of something holy. Which thing considered holy determined the degree of seriousness.

[RyanP]

Word_Swordsman:

I pull my sword and clean it on your shirt. Next?

My sword draws again.

Wiping blood from a successful first blow.

Wiping blood from a successful first blow.

Wiping blade again.

Sheathing sword, having mercy, letting you bleed quietly.

Sword still sheathed, serpent's head bruised under my heel.

I've already seen you made God's fool list too. He says it, I believe it, therefore I say you are a fool on that basis. This isn't mere name calling. I am passing on God's perspective, which I accept as my own.

After all the proofs I've shown before I say this dude is hiding behind scripture to insult folks, and that ain't right.

It's symbolic: God is our armor and the Word, the Bible, is our sword with which we defeat Satan. He's not attacking you physically but rather attacking your claims and disbelief. Now, of course, this is all nonsense to you because you are an atheist.

[JoeyKnothead]

So I just came across this athiest bible. I know, its only revealed to me, but I'm the one true athiest, with the one true athiest truth. Now whats central about this athiest bible, is anyone who don't agree with it is a retard. Thats an important concept, so let me make it clear. Its not me, in my self righteousness that claims this, but my book of atheism, of which only I have the true understanding. Yes my athiest brethren, anyone who thinks for themselves, who takes the evidence as they see it and tries to accept it as is, is a retard. Maybe I'm not clear enough, the athiest bible says anyone who disagrees with you is a RETARD. Now that's not me capitalizing it, thats the holy word of the athiest bible. I know, it sounds goofy, and totally against what is decent and right, but hey, they're the retards, not me, no, not me, in my holy shroud of righteousness, unfallible, incapable of error, and frankly downright arrogant manner. Not me, because the athiest bible, as interpreted by me, declares anyone who would take the evidence, and come to the best possible conclusion they can, that person is a retard.

Its not enough that those who reject athiesm be allowed to err, and respect them for doing the best they can with the evidence they have. Nope, they're retards. Mental defectives. Evil. Satan. Pretty much any denigrating term you can come up with, thats them. And of course you can use these terms because they're in the athiest bible. Dang em, dang em to heck and beyond for accepting the reality they see. Now of course we love em, but hey, the athiest bible says all this stuff, so we can be excused for our bigotry. We can be excused because the athiest bible says so. Only those who disagree with us can't be excused. Why? Because they're retards. Now that's not me saying it, thats the athiest bible, so don't blame me for repeating the hateful words it says are the truth.

I know, I know, we are allowing a debate predicated on an assumption that the athiest bible is 'authoratative', but we're gonna stretch that just as far as we can. We're gonna push it to the most extreme so that we can get our bigoted, arrogant views expressed, and dang the retards. Now remember, thats not me, thats the athiest bible calling em retards. I would never call them retards, I only point out that the athiest bible calls them retards. And since I, me, me alone, me in my infinite athiestic wonder, so wrapped up in it, so righteous in the belief of this bigoted stance, so superior to mortal men, so wondrous in my atheism, so splendid in the robes of the atheistic god, so...well you get the idea. Since I alone am able to discern what the athiest bible holds, I declare for the athiest bible...They're retards.

We will refuse legitimate debate, in fact we'll find some phrase in the athiest bible to explain exactly why we shouldn't engage in legitimate debate. Nope, we'll just throw out a bunch of mud and see who we can get it to stick to. I bet we'll get it to stick to retards. Again, I want to make sure its known that I am only parroting the misunderstanding, and lack of human decency in the athiest bible. These ain't my words, these are the words of folks, thousands of years ago, who were given the athiest scripture. So in no way can you assail me on my bigotry, because it was written down, and like tv, if its written down its true.

Now, since I alone hold the knowledge, the true understanding of athiestic belief, prove me wrong.

Nope, that didn't do it.

That either.

Not that.

Nope.

Wrong.

Out of context.

Fool.

[Thought Criminal]

Hell is not punishment: it is a choice. You have chosen to live your life without God, and God, in His perfect righteousness, administers justice by giving what you have chosen: separation from God. That's all Hell is, by the way; it's just eternity without God.

I disagree that Hell is violent though: it's judgment and anyone and everyone can choose it.

I haven't made any such choice. Rather, God gave me a brain so he can't complain if I use it. He knows I'm too rational to believe in him without evidence and he knows that no such evidence is available. In this way, God made me an atheist, so he can't punish me for what he's done. I fully expect that God will reward me for my atheism by giving me a good place in my afterlife. If God exists, of course, which I don't believe at all.

TC

[Confused]

MODERATOR INTERVENTION:

OK guys. This thread is alternating between legitimate debates and personal attacks so fast it is a wonder how anyone can follow.

Word_Swordsman: Yes, you are correct in that scripture is to be debated here and its content is generally accepted as valid and usually to be compared against other contradictory scripture. However, your consistent attacks on persons rather than on topics has gotten very old. This is not the first time you have heard this. You offer a lot very valuable knowledge in the way of scripture as it is obvious you are well versed in it. However, this does not give you any special standing to abuse other members and speak of them in any derogatory terms. Please try to tone it down and maintain civility. If someone is "egging" you on, then report them rather than getting yourself in trouble as well.

daedalus 2.0: You have heard this speech too many times so I won't waste space as you already know what I am going to say. Please try to adhere to the rules.

Everyone else: Please, stick to the topic. This is actually a very good topic to debate and has a lot of merit. I would hate to see it locked because we allow our emotions to guide our responses.

[Confused]

MODERATOR INTERVENTION:

Plus, you haven't even shown the Bible is true, so it defeats your purpose to quote it.

I would point out to you that the purpose for this forum does allow for the bible to be considered a legitimate source of information. This can be found here:

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=3168

Put your dic... sword away, Conan, this isn't Dungeons and Dragons.

Now this is just blatant disregard for the rules yet again. If you cannot bite your tongue and debate respectfully, then don't complain when others do the same to you and don't be surprised that you end up on probation or getting banned for it.