Must we keep the 10 commandments to be saved

[DansingWall]

The bible appears to say yes. Whats your thoughts

[byofrcs]

The bible appears to say yes. Whats your thoughts

Both Exodus and Deuteronomy I feel qualify to whom it is relevant to with,
"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; "

I have not been enslaved in Egypt, nor my parents nor grandparents for many generations. I personally don't see the relevance of this.

It's obsolete - never worked and doesn't work today. The golden rule provides a much simpler way to run your life.

[OnceConvinced]

This is the best scripture I can find:

1 John 2:4
The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Doesn't state the 10 commandments specifically, but logically it must include them.

Although many Christians will claim you don't have to obey all the ten commandments (eg keeping the sabbath), but this scripture says otherwise.

[Muz]

This is the best scripture I can find:

1 John 2:4
The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Doesn't state the 10 commandments specifically, but logically it must include them.

Although many Christians will claim you don't have to obey all the ten commandments (eg keeping the sabbath), but this scripture says otherwise.

And, if you go over to 1 John 3:20-23(?), you'll see the commandments given to the New Covenant Church: believe in God, love one another. The 10 commandments, while they may reflect timeless morality (and 9 of the 10 commandments are repeated in the New Testament), they are specifically for Israel.

* The one that isn't repeated is the Sabbath, which is why the church has never really kept it.

Muz

[DansingWall]

Time and time again i see in the new testament "keep my commandments". The 4th commandment is keep the sabbath. I see no where in the new testament where the 4th has been changed.

[Muz]

Time and time again i see in the new testament "keep my commandments". The 4th commandment is keep the sabbath. I see no where in the new testament where the 4th has been changed.

You'll also note that those people were under the Old Covenant, as the New had not yet been established. If you read in Acts 15, there is a debate over whether Gentiles had to obey the Law, and the conclusion is that they do not.

Muz

[Alethes]

The bible appears to say yes. Whats your thoughts

Both Exodus and Deuteronomy I feel qualify to whom it is relevant to with,
"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; "

I have not been enslaved in Egypt, nor my parents nor grandparents for many generations. I personally don't see the relevance of this.

It's obsolete - never worked and doesn't work today. The golden rule provides a much simpler way to run your life.

No. Man is not saved by the works of the law "for" righteousness. Man had to keep the whole law in order to have some kind of right standing with God. However, keep the law could not do away with sin as well as the sacrifices made under the law for sins.

Ephesians 2:8-10 tell us how we are saved.

"For by grace [divine favor] are ye saved through faith (the faith of Jesus Christ); and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of [from] God. Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

When we confess the Lord Jesus [the Christ] and believe in our heart that God had raised him from the dead, we are saved/born again of God's Spirit. God creates within every believer a new nature - a righteous nature, as opposed to our sinful/unrighteous nature. We are God's workmanship (not our own workmanship) -- created in Christ Jesus -- unto "good works, which God had foreordained for us to walk in.

On the day of Pentecost (Acts 2) the gift of holy spirit was made available. All those who receive this gift are able to carry out the good works that God prepared beforehand.

Colossians 1:10-12:

10. That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

11, Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

12. Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:.

All born-again believers have what we need (holy spirit) to walk in these good works. However, it is up to each individual to do the walking, to live our lives accordingly (I Corinthians 12; 2 Timothy 2:21, 3:16 and 17).

[Alethes]

The bible appears to say yes. Whats your thoughts

Both Exodus and Deuteronomy I feel qualify to whom it is relevant to with,
"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; "

I have not been enslaved in Egypt, nor my parents nor grandparents for many generations. I personally don't see the relevance of this.

It's obsolete - never worked and doesn't work today. The golden rule provides a much simpler way to run your life.

No. Man is not saved by the works of the law "for" righteousness. Man had to keep the whole law in order to have some kind of right standing with God. However, keep the law could not do away with sin as well as the sacrifices made under the law for sins.

Ephesians 2:8-10 tell us how we are saved.

"For by grace [divine favor] are ye saved through faith (the faith of Jesus Christ); and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of [from] God. Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

When we confess the Lord Jesus [the Christ] and believe in our heart that God had raised him from the dead, we are saved/born again of God's Spirit. God creates within every believer a new nature - a righteous nature, as opposed to our sinful/unrighteous nature. We are God's workmanship (not our own workmanship) -- created in Christ Jesus -- unto "good works, which God had foreordained for us to walk in.

On the day of Pentecost (Acts 2) the gift of holy spirit was made available. All those who receive this gift are able to carry out the good works that God prepared beforehand.

Colossians 1:10-12:

10. That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

11, Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

12. Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:.

All born-again believers have what we need (holy spirit) to walk in these good works. However, it is up to each individual to do the walking, to live our lives accordingly (I Corinthians 12; 2 Timothy 2:21, 3:16 and 17).

[Alethes]

The bible appears to say yes. Whats your thoughts

Both Exodus and Deuteronomy I feel qualify to whom it is relevant to with,
"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; "

I have not been enslaved in Egypt, nor my parents nor grandparents for many generations. I personally don't see the relevance of this.

It's obsolete - never worked and doesn't work today. The golden rule provides a much simpler way to run your life.

No. Man is not saved by the works of the law "for" righteousness. Man had to keep the whole law in order to have some kind of right standing with God. However, keep the law could not do away with sin as well as the sacrifices made under the law for sins.

Ephesians 2:8-10 tell us how we are saved.

"For by grace [divine favor] are ye saved through faith (the faith of Jesus Christ); and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of [from] God. Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

When we confess the Lord Jesus [the Christ] and believe in our heart that God had raised him from the dead, we are saved/born again of God's Spirit. God creates within every believer a new nature - a righteous nature, as opposed to our sinful/unrighteous nature. We are God's workmanship (not our own workmanship) -- created in Christ Jesus -- unto "good works, which God had foreordained for us to walk in.

On the day of Pentecost (Acts 2) the gift of holy spirit was made available. All those who receive this gift are able to carry out the good works that God prepared beforehand.

Colossians 1:10-12:

10. That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

11, Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

12. Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:.

All born-again believers have what we need (holy spirit) to walk in these good works. However, it is up to each individual to do the walking, to live our lives accordingly (I Corinthians chapter 12; II Timothy 2:21, 3:16 and 17).

[DansingWall]

If you read in Acts 15, there is a debate over whether Gentiles had to obey the Law, and the conclusion is that they do not.
Muz

Hi Muz

ACTS 15 [17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. [18] Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. [19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among THE GENTILES are turned to God: [20] But that we write unto them, that THEY ABSTAIN FROM POLLUTIONS OF IDOLS, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. [21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Well ? I looked into acts and In the context of the full scripture, it was speaking as to whether gentiles needed to be circumcized. Nothing to do with the 10 commandments or the sabbath. I also found another new testament scripture about the gentiles, idols, blood, etc. and that scripture also was talking about circumcision. That being said,I decided to also look into what idols were all about. What I found was quite interesting.

LEVITICUS 19 [3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the Lord your God. [4] TURN YE NOT UNTO IDOLS, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the Lord your God.

LEVITICUS 26 [1]Ye shall MAKE YOU NO IDOLS nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. [2] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

EZEKIEL 20 [16]Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, BUT POLLUTED MY SABBATHS: FOR THEIR HEART WENT AFTER THEIR IDOLS.

I don’t know what the connection might be as to why graven images (pollution of idols) are a sign that you don’t keep Gods sabbath but if the WORD says so I believe it. I know the churches that do keep the sabbath don’t have any standing images or crosses. Well, least the ones I know. And the people that go to these churches do not wear crosses or molten gods around their necks. Anyways Muz, acts 15 is talking about the law of circumcism. Not the 10 commandments.