help wanted. position: President of US

[r~]

Help Wanted
Position: President of US.

I am seeking a statesman to earn my vote in the upcoming election. Frankly, I'm tired of only having politicians and followers of the beast (masquerading as Christians) to vote against. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case again this election.

I am seeking the candidate that best understands and follows In the Spirit of God and Christ.

Christians in name only need not apply.

Please help me decide.

Who should I vote for?
Who should I vote against?

I am
ItS
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[twobitsmedia]

George H Bush (George W's dad and Pres #41) endorsed John McCain today. I think that pretty much seals the presidency for the Democrats.

[Goat]

George H Bush (George W's dad and Pres #41) endorsed John McCain today. I think that pretty much seals the presidency for the Democrats.

That depends.. if Hillbilly is the candidate, that brings it back to even.

Never underestimate the self destructive powers of the democratic party.

Of course, the same can be said of the Republicans..

[r~]

George H Bush (George W's dad and Pres #41) endorsed John McCain today. I think that pretty much seals the presidency for the Democrats.

As far as I can see, Obama is the only candidate that even remotely shows potential for statesmanship.

It really is a shame how McCain has been pandering to the followers of the beast. It just goes to show that even those that fight for their country are not necessarily patriot.

I hold this truth to be self evident.
All have equal right of liberty.
John McCain does not.

ItS
Peace
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[Quarkhead]

Holy Words

Please allow me to ask in another way.

Please suggest a candidate that might be willing to follow in the footsteps of Christ once elected.

I am
ItS
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This seems contradictory. Someone following "in the footsteps of Christ" wouldn't be running for president, would they? Christ's particular messianic model would preclude being president of a political state.

[micatala]

Help Wanted
Position: President of US.

I am seeking a statesman to earn my vote in the upcoming election. Frankly, I'm tired of only having politicians and followers of the beast (masquerading as Christians) to vote against. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case again this election.

I am seeking the candidate that best understands and follows In the Spirit of God and Christ.

Christians in name only need not apply.

Please help me decide.

Who should I vote for?
Who should I vote against?

I am
ItS
r~

Alright.

How about Ralph Nader?

He is uncompromisingly principled, just like Jesus.

He riles the powers that be, just like Jesus.

He fights for the poor, just like Jesus.

He doesn't really care about having power for himself, he just wants to make things right, just like Jesus.

He lives a much more modest lifestyle than typical for a person of his fame and stature, just like Jesus.

He has the zeal of a missionary, just like Jesus.

What say you? Can any other candidate past or present present more Christ-like credentials than Nader?

[Goat]

Help Wanted
Position: President of US.

I am seeking a statesman to earn my vote in the upcoming election. Frankly, I'm tired of only having politicians and followers of the beast (masquerading as Christians) to vote against. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case again this election.

I am seeking the candidate that best understands and follows In the Spirit of God and Christ.

Christians in name only need not apply.

Please help me decide.

Who should I vote for?
Who should I vote against?

I am
ItS
r~

Alright.

How about Ralph Nader?

He is uncompromisingly principled, just like Jesus.

He riles the powers that be, just like Jesus.

He fights for the poor, just like Jesus.

He doesn't really care about having power for himself, he just wants to make things right, just like Jesus.

He lives a much more modest lifestyle than typical for a person of his fame and stature, just like Jesus.

He has the zeal of a missionary, just like Jesus.

What say you? Can any other candidate past or present present more Christ-like credentials than Nader?

He is also egotistical beyond all reasoning, is disruptive . He is contemptuous of those people who disagree with him, and is not willing to compromise.

I think we have had enough ego and unwillingness to compromise, and the demonizing of the opposition the last 8 years.

[carolineislands]

As far as I can see, Obama is the only candidate that even remotely shows potential for statesmanship.

I agree. I don't like his stance on some issues, but on the whole he is our best hope to repair international relations and to cut down on some of the corruption in government. I particularly like his stance on anti-corruption and taking away power from lobbies. Its high time this nation cut the puppet strings and started running itself. The lobbies and corporations need to be given the boot and the nation start functioning the way the founding fathers designed it to. I think Obama is our best chance for at least some of those things happening.

And Goat, I agree with your statements about Nader. He's turning into a megalomaniac and we have definitely had enough of that. He knows he will NOT win. He knows that he will siphon some votes away from the democrats, as it has done for the last two elections. I honestly think that him throwing his hat in the ring at this point is despicable. He knows all he is going to be able to accomplish is to split the liberal vote again. I'm starting to wonder if he's a neo-con tool. Well, he IS whether he knows it or not. You're right thought, he doesn't listen to the people at ALL and he won't listen to our pleas for him to drop out either. All he cares about is his stubborn agenda, and it doesn't matter how many wars continue or how many people die because of it. If he does throw this election too, then we're likely to be in Iraq for at least another 4 years and how many tens of thousands of people are going to die as a result of that. And the disgusting thing is that he KNOWS there is NO WAY that he will win.

He's just making a point at the expense of God only knows how many lives. And for nothing... just to rock the boat.

In another situation, this would be a criminal act.

[micatala]

Help Wanted
Position: President of US.

I am seeking a statesman to earn my vote in the upcoming election. Frankly, I'm tired of only having politicians and followers of the beast (masquerading as Christians) to vote against. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case again this election.

I am seeking the candidate that best understands and follows In the Spirit of God and Christ.

Christians in name only need not apply.

Please help me decide.

Who should I vote for?
Who should I vote against?

I am
ItS
r~

Alright.

How about Ralph Nader?

He is uncompromisingly principled, just like Jesus.

He riles the powers that be, just like Jesus.

He fights for the poor, just like Jesus.

He doesn't really care about having power for himself, he just wants to make things right, just like Jesus.

He lives a much more modest lifestyle than typical for a person of his fame and stature, just like Jesus.

He has the zeal of a missionary, just like Jesus.

What say you? Can any other candidate past or present present more Christ-like credentials than Nader?

He is also egotistical beyond all reasoning, is disruptive . He is contemptuous of those people who disagree with him, and is not willing to compromise.

I will certainly concede these points. However, one could also make a case that Christ was pretty egotistical and unwilling to compromise. He was not contemptuous of all who disagreed with him, but certainly was contemptuous of the Pharisees.

And yes, I can understand caroline's points as well, even though I am not that negative on him. Certainly I think we would have been better off if Gore had won Florida and the presidency in 2000.

However, I also think there is something wrong with saying a guy should just 'get out of the race' because 'he is taking our votes'. Both Gore and Kerry should have won, even with Nader in the race. Saying he is the reason they didn't is a little like blaming the ref's bad call for losing you the game when the fact is, you just didn't play very well. Obama and Hillary both should consider the lessons of the last two elections as the proceed.

The main reason I brought up Nader is to get people to consider that the 'conventional wisdom' on what it means to be a Christian leader is more than a bit narrow. My understanding is Nader is an atheist or at least pretty close to one. But still, despite his shortcomings and his religious viewpoint, in some ways he is more in line with Jesus' views than candidates who are avowedly Christian.

[carolineislands]

I wouldn't be negative about Nader running one BIT if it weren't for the precarious situation this nation (and the world) is in right now. This is not just any election year and so many lives depend on the people of the U.S. standing up and getting their government under control. If another neo-con gets in the White House...

Well, let me just say that this is not the time for Nader to be trying to prove a point. Any other election year, but not this one. This one is far too important and I think there is more riding on it that most people in the U.S. even begin to know.

Nader needs to have at least enough wisdom to see the precarious situation and go vote for who ever will get this nation back on its feet. Then when we are safe, our economy is stable, our international reputation is somewhat repaired, and we are not teetering on the brink of WWIII with a megalomaniac's finger hovering over the red button... well, then let Mr. Nader make all the points he wants to. In a situation like that I'd probably vote for him myself.

But not now. Not when we all know there is no way he will get the presidency and all he is going to do is siphon votes from our only hope of fixing the mess the last 8 years has landed us in. And frankly, just knowing he is stubborn and egotistical enough to do something like that is evidence enough that he is NOT the kind of president this nation needs. Especially not at a time like this.

[carolineislands]

And I do agree that there are people who claim to not be Christian but who live by Christian values much more than lots of people who say they ARE Christians. I know my syntax was bad on that sentence but I'm tired so forgive me.



In my opinion, "Christianity" is not very Christian.

But that's another thread.