St John 6:66
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
I hope this will spark some thought and discussion. In my studies I came across this verse. I find its linkage to this context :
jn 6:
60Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
The crowd had been following Jesus for the food and in the mean time he preached the Gospel of Gods sovereign grace and mans inabilty which are both gospel truthes christ himself preached as we see here..
In vs 65 He states two truthes # 1 mans in ability [no man can come unto me] and Sovereign election [ except it were given him of my father]
Vs 66 says that from that time many of his disciples went back or drew back similar to apostasy.. and walked no more with him..
The thing about vs 66 in the original the word time is not there , its added by the translators, so here is the emphahsis if we take the word time from the verse..
vs 65-66:
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66From that many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
It would appear that the emhasis is on the fact of the saying of Gods sovereignty and mans inability is so repulsive that the people stopped following after christ..
Some may say I already knew that but this is very unique to me that a verse emphasizing mans hatred of two High grace truthes such as Gods Sovereignty and Mans depravity would be in a passage or verse 666 , what you think..
The natural mans hatred of Gods sovereignty and mans inabili
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Post #11
Greetings, R,
I understand the topic that was so long it got cut off, but there is no clear question for debate. [Nor is it the first time]
There is some bogus connection to numerology, and then the lack of clear definition of what Beloved means by natural man, etc.
To some this means "unbelievers/ or nonChristians". To others the term "natural man" means mankind. We're not sure whose hatred is assumed, and we can only guess that the partial word was inability, but inability to ......... what? See the future, believe in the trinity, hear the voice of Yahweh God.
I have repeatedly and respectfull asked Beloved for clarification, and also to give verses for his/her statements. Until then, the thread is basically an open game.
Speaking of which, your reply seemed very cryptic. You don't say which user group you belong to, and you use a lot of religous lingo, and your graphic says
In the Spirit.
What does it mean? In which Spirit? Holy Spirit of the Trinity?
You also wrote god several times, but capitalized it in the title of the thread. Which God do you mean?
I'm not a grammar Nazi,
but couldn't help but notice.
Just curious, do democrats in your country really think Obama and Clinton promote family values, or do they just not really care, because they promote socialized medicine.? Free insurance for everyone, just like here in Central Europe. hehehe
Also, whose name do you claim? Which spirit is the one aluded to in your icon? W
Grace and Peace,
Salt Agent.
I understand the topic that was so long it got cut off, but there is no clear question for debate. [Nor is it the first time]
There is some bogus connection to numerology, and then the lack of clear definition of what Beloved means by natural man, etc.
To some this means "unbelievers/ or nonChristians". To others the term "natural man" means mankind. We're not sure whose hatred is assumed, and we can only guess that the partial word was inability, but inability to ......... what? See the future, believe in the trinity, hear the voice of Yahweh God.
I have repeatedly and respectfull asked Beloved for clarification, and also to give verses for his/her statements. Until then, the thread is basically an open game.
Speaking of which, your reply seemed very cryptic. You don't say which user group you belong to, and you use a lot of religous lingo, and your graphic says
In the Spirit.
What does it mean? In which Spirit? Holy Spirit of the Trinity?
You also wrote god several times, but capitalized it in the title of the thread. Which God do you mean?
I'm not a grammar Nazi,
but couldn't help but notice. Just curious, do democrats in your country really think Obama and Clinton promote family values, or do they just not really care, because they promote socialized medicine.? Free insurance for everyone, just like here in Central Europe. hehehe
Also, whose name do you claim? Which spirit is the one aluded to in your icon? W
Grace and Peace,
Salt Agent.
sick, sick, sick.(s)
Post #12Please forgive.
Tongues vary.
Last Post.
I agree with you. Politeness requires a presence if you start a thread. Confirmation that the stated topic is less than meaningful was hidden in my cryptic answer. Yet I spoke to the misconceptions that stripped that topic of any meaning.
It is not natural for any of mankind to have hatred of god's sovereignty; no matter whose Book says so.
The mark of the beast is the judgment and condemnation of sin as crime. Those that thus succumb to their own self-righteousness to judge and condemn sin as crime are sick, sick, sick.(s)
God speaks in allegory, idolaters claim literal.
I often read 'family values' as doublespeak for discrimination against women, gays and other sinners. Is that your intended use?
It is indeed sad that We must again vote for a politician instead of a Statesman (though one still shows some promise). May be now is a good time for a fresh start.
As for myself:
I confess, know a little of Holy Symbols and Words. I confess also I am a recovering Methodist.
Yet now I find myself reborn In the Spirit and am compelled to serve in the spirit of good and all.
ItS
Peace
r~
In the beginning was the spirit, and the spirit was within god, and the spirit was god. The spirit was within god in the beginning. Through the spirit all things were and are. In the spirit is life, and that life is the light of all. The light shines in the darkness that is flesh and words, yet few can see the light.
Tongues vary.
Evidently also:beloved57
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Last Post.
I agree with you. Politeness requires a presence if you start a thread. Confirmation that the stated topic is less than meaningful was hidden in my cryptic answer. Yet I spoke to the misconceptions that stripped that topic of any meaning.
It is not natural for any of mankind to have hatred of god's sovereignty; no matter whose Book says so.
The mark of the beast is the judgment and condemnation of sin as crime. Those that thus succumb to their own self-righteousness to judge and condemn sin as crime are sick, sick, sick.(s)
God speaks in allegory, idolaters claim literal.
I often read 'family values' as doublespeak for discrimination against women, gays and other sinners. Is that your intended use?
It is indeed sad that We must again vote for a politician instead of a Statesman (though one still shows some promise). May be now is a good time for a fresh start.
As for myself:
I confess, know a little of Holy Symbols and Words. I confess also I am a recovering Methodist.
Yet now I find myself reborn In the Spirit and am compelled to serve in the spirit of good and all.
ItS
Peace
r~
In the beginning was the spirit, and the spirit was within god, and the spirit was god. The spirit was within god in the beginning. Through the spirit all things were and are. In the spirit is life, and that life is the light of all. The light shines in the darkness that is flesh and words, yet few can see the light.
