"Salvation" from what?
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Beto
"Salvation" from what?
Post #1I was wondering what Christians think being "parted from "God" or "God's Word" really is. Could they fear something they can't even imagine? Is it like being an atheist? What does it "feel" like? I'm only addressing those who "naturally" assume we won't have a body to burn in a lake of fire, since that's too easy to imagine.
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Beto
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I have no love for any god, nor have I ever had, so does that mean "Hell" is basically how I feel now? How is that a bad thing for me?ken1burton wrote:Beto.
It is a feeling like love when it is lost. Problem is, You need to feel love before you can feel it gone. And more like a love which has died, and you have no hope of getting it back, and know you have to live without it.
This part of your post is all I'm interested in. The rest is preaching and irrelevant to me, please understand that.
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ken1burton
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Beto.
I can understand someone with no desire to know God. The main thing I preach on is what the real situation with God is. How He set up what He has established as truth. How the Bible goes together without contradicting itself. What is truth in Scripture, And How most of the Church Doctrine is error because they were blinded.
Like it or not, we all go to God at death, All those who have gone before us are with God. All sin was paid in full, They all have the righteousness of Christ on them. So any concern for others has been taken care of. They just got Home before we did.
We do not lose those who have died. They are as much alive as we are, Their days are filled with activities also. Part of the Love for God is knowing He has taken care of those others. Ones which at present, we can not take care of or be with.
The Spirit of Truth is all the Prophecies fulfilled the day of the Cross, They are what leads us into all truths, That is the Comforter. And that comfort is in God Caring for all our loved ones, And keeping all them, that we do get rejoined.
Hell was a place of sleep till Jesus died for sin, then a holding place till the third day. I think the reason God even have the Hell concept the way it appears, Is that is how He feels when one is not with Him. Eternally tormented by His Children which have yet to know Him.
Not much different then a Child that does not want anything to do with a Parent, How that Parent feels if they love that Child very much. Or even a Child that feels rejected by a parent, or parents. The thing is, God has no problem with knowing the Child exists.
Several times I have felt the presence of God. Two of those times was one day apart. I made a mental note what was going on, How I was feeling, What I was thinking. I know how to feel that, Both times I felt a total love for God’s creation and every person. As if I was in love with His world, and felt no anger about anything.
So Draw nigh unto God, and He will draw nigh unto you, is true.
Like David with the Child conceived outside wedlock, God struck the child with sickness. David was tormented and lay on the floor fasting for the Child, as soon as the Child died, David got up. Washed, and ate. He knew the Child was in Good hands. So He had no problem then.
2-Samuel 12:18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?
19 But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.
20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself , and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.
21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
God does not require belief, He concluded all in unbelief. He does not require anything at all. We are His, He knows that. He has prepared Eternal life for us, He also has a second form of Eternal life, and that is Knowing Him and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. That is the one talked about that a person does not have unless they believe. Either way, We all get to know God eventually, we have Eternity.
Ken
I can understand someone with no desire to know God. The main thing I preach on is what the real situation with God is. How He set up what He has established as truth. How the Bible goes together without contradicting itself. What is truth in Scripture, And How most of the Church Doctrine is error because they were blinded.
Like it or not, we all go to God at death, All those who have gone before us are with God. All sin was paid in full, They all have the righteousness of Christ on them. So any concern for others has been taken care of. They just got Home before we did.
We do not lose those who have died. They are as much alive as we are, Their days are filled with activities also. Part of the Love for God is knowing He has taken care of those others. Ones which at present, we can not take care of or be with.
The Spirit of Truth is all the Prophecies fulfilled the day of the Cross, They are what leads us into all truths, That is the Comforter. And that comfort is in God Caring for all our loved ones, And keeping all them, that we do get rejoined.
Hell was a place of sleep till Jesus died for sin, then a holding place till the third day. I think the reason God even have the Hell concept the way it appears, Is that is how He feels when one is not with Him. Eternally tormented by His Children which have yet to know Him.
Not much different then a Child that does not want anything to do with a Parent, How that Parent feels if they love that Child very much. Or even a Child that feels rejected by a parent, or parents. The thing is, God has no problem with knowing the Child exists.
Several times I have felt the presence of God. Two of those times was one day apart. I made a mental note what was going on, How I was feeling, What I was thinking. I know how to feel that, Both times I felt a total love for God’s creation and every person. As if I was in love with His world, and felt no anger about anything.
So Draw nigh unto God, and He will draw nigh unto you, is true.
Like David with the Child conceived outside wedlock, God struck the child with sickness. David was tormented and lay on the floor fasting for the Child, as soon as the Child died, David got up. Washed, and ate. He knew the Child was in Good hands. So He had no problem then.
2-Samuel 12:18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?
19 But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.
20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself , and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.
21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
God does not require belief, He concluded all in unbelief. He does not require anything at all. We are His, He knows that. He has prepared Eternal life for us, He also has a second form of Eternal life, and that is Knowing Him and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. That is the one talked about that a person does not have unless they believe. Either way, We all get to know God eventually, we have Eternity.
Ken
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Beto.
Not really, I have read the Comic strip. Are you talking of a strip on TV or something? I do not remember any adults on the Comic strip?
Ken
Not really, I have read the Comic strip. Are you talking of a strip on TV or something? I do not remember any adults on the Comic strip?
Ken
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There are no adults depicted in the Peanuts cartoons. When an adult is required, he or she is never in the frame and in the TV shows, their voices are an unintelligible garble.ken1burton wrote:Not really, I have read the Comic strip. Are you talking of a strip on TV or something? I do not remember any adults on the Comic strip?
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
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I am quoting this for the purpose of record.McCulloch wrote:.... an unintelligible garble.
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I understood the reference.McCulloch wrote:There are no adults depicted in the Peanuts cartoons. When an adult is required, he or she is never in the frame and in the TV shows, their voices are an unintelligible garble.ken1burton wrote:Not really, I have read the Comic strip. Are you talking of a strip on TV or something? I do not remember any adults on the Comic strip?
It even made sense.
“Man and his salvation: studies in memory of SGF Brandon” is a great book to start with as it deals with the many ideas of salvation by ancient humans.
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There are four different types of tongues seen in Scripture, that is why so many people are puzzled by Tongues, all are Scriptural. Each has it’s own attributes.
1-Corinthians 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts , seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
Unintelligible garble. No problem. That is just speaking in an unknown tongue, You do not understand the words. Paul said he spoke in tongues more then them all, And He spoke over their heads a lot, They needed it interpreted using easier language.
Most of us have to assume to a certain extent what others reading these posts, can and can not understand. We do not know what they have experienced in life, Sometimes, not even close to their age. There are hints. But some do not show them too quickly.
Ken
1-Corinthians 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts , seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
Unintelligible garble. No problem. That is just speaking in an unknown tongue, You do not understand the words. Paul said he spoke in tongues more then them all, And He spoke over their heads a lot, They needed it interpreted using easier language.
Most of us have to assume to a certain extent what others reading these posts, can and can not understand. We do not know what they have experienced in life, Sometimes, not even close to their age. There are hints. But some do not show them too quickly.
Ken
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I am quoting this for the purpose of record.ken1burton wrote:There are hints. But some do not show them too quickly.
