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is homosexuality worse then other sins?

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another highly debated topic in my life!



the way that people treat homosexuals makes it seem like homosexuality is a more horrible sin than other ones. i dont believe that its true! sin is sin and its all discusting to God! so what gives us the right to judge homosexuals when we also live in sin everyday? they should be allowed to join the church and be pastors or w/e because like them we knowingly live in sin from day to day.



ahh im ranting now...


what are all of your thoughts?

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Cathar1950 wrote:I did answer the question Biker.
I believe Peter was inspired by his leader or even a person 100 years before.
For all we know Jesus was a title.
2Peter 3:2
Paul was an Apostle!
Before you start espousing your (peculiar) personal opinion of the inerrant Word of God I would remind you of the purpose of this subforum, as regarding the Bible.
Paul said in 1 Cor. 6:9 " Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,"
Paul the Apostle is clear, specifically, homosexuality is:
a) unrighteousness
b) precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God.
c) one should not be deceived from believing otherwise
Would you agree the Bible states that?

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Biker wrote:
micatala wrote:
Biker wrote:
rev.,
All of your out of context Scriptures refer to Jews!
The last time I checked I wasn't a Jew! Be it Scribe or Pharisee or any other group.
Neither are most of the homosexuals you keep saying must repent based on the scripture.
rev. Ray wrote: a liberal theologian like myself DOESN'T take the bible literally and dictatorially


So, why do you quote from it? Which of the above is literal and which is not?
I would remind the good rev., that your personal (unsubstantiated, undocumented) opinion about the literally inerrant Word of God, is moot in this thread, remember the purpose of this subforum?
Since the inerrant word of God is not in question here, and assumed to be authoritive, would you mind actually addressing the issue at hand, the sin of homosexuality?
I yet again remind Biker that authoritative does not mean inerrant.

And according to the inerrant Word of God, gay=sin.

Biker
According to Biker, perhaps. According to the Bible it has already been shown, even using Biker's own logic, the verses referring to homosexual sex refer to the Jews, or to idolaters and those who have already consciously rejected God, or it is unclear exactly who they are referring to.

Repeating your opinion over and over does not make it right.

In addition, the Bible also says that what is sinful is between each individual believer and the Lord. See Roman chapter 14.
Micatala wrote:Neither are most of the homosexuals you keep saying must repent based on the scripture
As Paul pointed out in Rom 1:26 the folks in Gen 18:25 weren't "Jews" either! In fact as I pointed out earlier the law wasn't yet neither! How did they know "homosexuality" was wrong? Conviction of conscience. Also Paul pointed out to the non "Jew" Romans in 1 Corin 6:9 that "unrighteous" homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. So it is sin prior to the law. It is sin during the law. It is sin after the law. The only people not realizing homosexuality as sin are those who Paul refers to in Rom 1:22 "Professing to be wise, they became fools"
Also in Rom 1:24 " Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them."
Also in Rom 1:28 "God gave them over to a depraved mind to do those things which are not proper."
Which things are Paul referring to : Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their woman exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."
Lets review just what happened. What was the due penalty of their error? God turned Sodom and Gomorrah into a tar pit and burned it, and it is the lowest place on the face of the earth, more than a thousand feet below sea level, almost hell, if it ain't, you can almost see it from there.
Micatala wrote:authoritive does not mean inerrant.
Yes it does!
Micatala wrote: it is unclear exactly who they are referring to.

It is not! Its only unclear to one who Paul referred to in Rom 1:28.
Lev 18:1,2,3 "Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, I am the Lord your God. You shall not do what is done in the land of Egypt where you lived, nor are you to do what is done in the land of Canaan where I am bringing you; you shall not walk in their statutes."
I shouldn't have to remind you what happened to the Egyptians and the Canaanites.
God was not happy with the big long list of things these folks were doing read 18:6-30. Lev 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an ABOMINATION."
This is real clear micatala.
What is unclear about that?
Have sex with mom, incur judgment.
Have sex with sis, incur judgment.
Have sex with rover, incur judgment.
Have sex with your same sex partner, incur judgment.
Very clear.
Mictala wrote:Repeating your opinion over again does not make it right.
Ignoring the clear instruction of the Lord does not make it right Micatala.
Make your case in Rom 14. I don't agree with your assessment.

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Ahmm!

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Ahmm!

Biker
We usually frown upon one liners but this doesn't even measure up to a one liner.
So I guess I will address the nonsense in your other post of opinion.
Biker wrote:
Cathar1950 wrote:I did answer the question Biker.
I believe Peter was inspired by his leader or even a person 100 years before.
For all we know Jesus was a title.
2Peter 3:2
Paul was an Apostle!
Before you start espousing your (peculiar) personal opinion of the inerrant Word of God I would remind you of the purpose of this subforum, as regarding the Bible.
Paul said in 1 Cor. 6:9 " Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,"
Paul the Apostle is clear, specifically, homosexuality is:
a) unrighteousness
b) precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God.
c) one should not be deceived from believing otherwise
Would you agree the Bible states that?
Biker
I would like to remind you that the purpose of this thread is not to bash gays because you fail to understand writings or ancient human codes that you dispense to your own likings.
Paul claims he was an apostle and it appears to have been a vision. While he bashes and curses those you say were called in the gospels.
2Peter is a forgery as is 1Peter.
100-160 2 Peter
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/
It seems all you offer is your opinions and interpretations.
The "Bible" is not "the inerrant Word of God" and it is your opinion and dogma not something you can defend with even your poor use of scriptures.
Most real scholars believe (100-150) 1Timothy, (100-150) 2Timothy, and (100-150) Titus
to all be later forgeries. I don't think Paul speaks for Jesus or God. It is his opinion while like you talking from the other side of his face claims the Roman overlords are servants of God and their laws should be obeyed while God's are negated because he thought the world was going to soon end and they no longer mattered.
I would agree some bible state that but their meanings is questionable as has been already pointed out by others. As a bride of Christ I wouldn't complain to much about being “effeminate” if I were you.

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Biker wrote:2Peter 3:2 Paul was an Apostle!
Before you start espousing your (peculiar) personal opinion of the inerrant Word of God I would remind you of the purpose of this subforum, as regarding the Bible.
Paul said in 1 Cor. 6:9 " Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,"
Paul the Apostle is clear, specifically, homosexuality is:
a) unrighteousness
b) precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God.
c) one should not be deceived from believing otherwise
Would you agree the Bible states that?

Biker
The Bible states that fornication is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that idolatry is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that adultery is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that being effeminate [presumably for males] is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that homosexuality is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.

Since the question for debate is, "is homosexuality worse then other sins?", I would think that 1 Cor. 6:9 which puts it on a list with other ungodly things, such as not being manly enough, would answer the question with a resounding No.

The fact of the matter is that Evangelicals generally treat homosexuality differently than the other sins.
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McCulloch wrote:
Biker wrote:2Peter 3:2 Paul was an Apostle!
Before you start espousing your (peculiar) personal opinion of the inerrant Word of God I would remind you of the purpose of this subforum, as regarding the Bible.
Paul said in 1 Cor. 6:9 " Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,"
Paul the Apostle is clear, specifically, homosexuality is:
a) unrighteousness
b) precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God.
c) one should not be deceived from believing otherwise
Would you agree the Bible states that?

Biker
The Bible states that fornication is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that idolatry is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that adultery is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that being effeminate [presumably for males] is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that homosexuality is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.

Since the question for debate is, "is homosexuality worse then other sins?", I would think that 1 Cor. 6:9 which puts it on a list with other ungodly things, such as not being manly enough, would answer the question with a resounding No.

The fact of the matter is that Evangelicals generally treat homosexuality differently than the other sins.
Mac,
First, make your case for that unsubstantiated personal opinion, that gay is treated differently than other sins.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
The truth of the matter is this. Gay's and unbelieving professing (liberal) "christians?", keep ramming their immoral perverted agenda down everyone's throat against their will, and pushing the issue.
Your (and others) wrong misconception is actually driven by the gay and liberal agenda.
Case in point, of the laundry list of sins (and they are all sins including gay) that you list above, are you aware of any of these having a concerted effort to:
a) Get the particular sin accepted legally and actually change laws prohibiting the opposition of the immoral "abominable" behavior.
b) Attempt to have the perversion "accepted" by Christianity, in spite of it being clearly condemned behavior, in the Bible.
c) Employ smear campaigns and resort to name calling (homophobia etc. etc. etc.)
d) Actively work to undermine and employ disingenuous sophistry and twisting of clear Scripture to try and dignify and paint a pretty picture on immoral perversion not acceptable to the overwhelming majority of Christians and the secular public.
I am not aware of the fornication rights group.
I haven't heard of the thiefs united liberation front.
The clear distinction is this, the gay rights movement is ramrodding their perverse immoral sin and foisting it on the huge majority who are disgusted with the behavior.
I and most other Christians would prefer to not even talk about the homosexual perversion, but it won't be left alone, NOT BY US, but because of them.
Most Christians wouldn't bring the subject up because of the disgust with the behavior, just like murder, or thievery, or adultery, or fornication, or whatever.
There is no problem if it is kept behind closed doors, just like defecating or urinating bathroom habits that are done but not discussed.
If unrepentant homosexuals want to continue in their sin, keep it private.
But when you try and ram it down my throat, get it accepted legally, have pride parades exhibiting perversion publicly, and attempt to foist it on Christianity as accepted behavior, and argue that the Bible doesn't condemn it as sin, I draw the line.
Do your sin in private and don't tell me about it, or ask me to accept or subsidize it, because I won't or will not.
If you repent and as Jesus Christ said, "Go and sin no more" I'll accept you in Christian fellowship, just like all the rest of us had to.
Gay's don't get a free ride on sin, what makes them special???

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Biker wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
Biker wrote:2Peter 3:2 Paul was an Apostle!
Before you start espousing your (peculiar) personal opinion of the inerrant Word of God I would remind you of the purpose of this subforum, as regarding the Bible.
Paul said in 1 Cor. 6:9 " Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,"
Paul the Apostle is clear, specifically, homosexuality is:
a) unrighteousness
b) precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God.
c) one should not be deceived from believing otherwise
Would you agree the Bible states that?

Biker
The Bible states that fornication is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that idolatry is

unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that adultery is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that being effeminate [presumably for males] is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that homosexuality is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.

Since the question for debate is, "is homosexuality worse then other sins?", I would think that 1 Cor. 6:9 which puts it on a list with other ungodly things, such as not being manly enough, would answer the question with a resounding No.

The fact of the matter is that Evangelicals generally treat homosexuality differently than the other sins.
Mac,
First, make your case for that unsubstantiated personal opinion, that gay is treated differently than other sins.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
The truth of the matter is this. Gay's and unbelieving professing (liberal) "christians?", keep ramming their immoral perverted agenda down everyone's throat against their will, and pushing the issue.
Your (and others) wrong misconception is actually driven by the gay and liberal agenda.
Case in point, of the laundry list of sins (and they are all sins including gay) that you list above, are you aware of any of these having a concerted effort to:
a) Get the particular sin accepted legally and actually change laws prohibiting the opposition of the immoral "abominable" behavior.
b) Attempt to have the perversion "accepted" by Christianity, in spite of it being clearly condemned behavior, in the Bible.
c) Employ smear campaigns and resort to name calling (homophobia etc. etc. etc.)
d) Actively work to undermine and employ disingenuous sophistry and twisting of clear Scripture to try and dignify and paint a pretty picture on immoral perversion not acceptable to the overwhelming majority of Christians and the secular public.
I am not aware of the fornication rights group.
I haven't heard of the thiefs united liberation front.
The clear distinction is this, the gay rights movement is ramrodding their perverse immoral sin and foisting it on the huge majority who are disgusted with the behavior.
I and most other Christians would prefer to not even talk about the homosexual perversion, but it won't be left alone, NOT BY US, but because of them.
Most Christians wouldn't bring the subject up because of the disgust with the behavior, just like murder, or thievery, or adultery, or fornication, or whatever.
There is no problem if it is kept behind closed doors, just like defecating or urinating bathroom habits that are done but not discussed.
If unrepentant homosexuals want to continue in their sin, keep it private.
But when you try and ram it down my throat, get it accepted legally, have pride parades exhibiting perversion publicly, and attempt to foist it on Christianity as accepted behavior, and argue that the Bible doesn't condemn it as sin, I draw the line.
Do your sin in private and don't tell me about it, or ask me to accept or subsidize it, because I won't or will not.
If you repent and as Jesus Christ said, "Go and sin no more" I'll accept you in Christian fellowship, just like all the rest of us had to.
Gay's don't get a free ride on sin, what makes them special???

Biker
From my observations, you are wrong. You personally are treating homosexuality as a different 'class' of sin. You don't rally against divorce or adultery like you do Homosexualtity. I wonder how many people obsessed with homosexuality have had affairs or got divorced.

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goat wrote: (To Biker) From my observations, you are wrong. You personally are treating homosexuality as a different 'class' of sin. You don't rally against divorce or adultery like you do Homosexualtity.
We missed the "adultery-and-divorce" pride parades. But you generally don't see them mocking Christ and Christianity like many gays do in this photo:

http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2007/09 ... -last.html

That kind of sorry exposition, and many like that, do not help the pro-gay cause.
goat wrote:
I wonder how many people obsessed with homosexuality have had affairs or got divorced.
Goat's trying to justify one sin by pointing to others. Not a good plan.

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Easyrider wrote:
goat wrote: (To Biker) From my observations, you are wrong. You personally are treating homosexuality as a different 'class' of sin. You don't rally against divorce or adultery like you do Homosexualtity.
We missed the "adultery-and-divorce" pride parades. But you generally don't see them mocking Christ and Christianity like many gays do in this photo:

http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2007/09 ... -last.html

That kind of sorry exposition, and many like that, do not help the pro-gay cause.
goat wrote:
I wonder how many people obsessed with homosexuality have had affairs or got divorced.
Goat's trying to justify one sin by pointing to others. Not a good plan.
Tell me, have you ever been divorced? IF so, then your obsession here is just hypocrisy. This is particularly true if you got remarried afterwards.

I notice many people who fume against homosexuality have gotten multiple divorces. I think they should look at themselves first, and fix themselves before
they go spew on how sinful others are.
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goat wrote:
Biker wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
Biker wrote:2Peter 3:2 Paul was an Apostle!
Before you start espousing your (peculiar) personal opinion of the inerrant Word of God I would remind you of the purpose of this subforum, as regarding the Bible.
Paul said in 1 Cor. 6:9 " Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,"
Paul the Apostle is clear, specifically, homosexuality is:
a) unrighteousness
b) precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God.
c) one should not be deceived from believing otherwise
Would you agree the Bible states that?

Biker
The Bible states that fornication is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that idolatry is

unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that adultery is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that being effeminate [presumably for males] is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.
The Bible states that homosexuality is unrighteous, precludes one from inheriting the kingdom of God and that one should not be deceived from believing otherwise.

Since the question for debate is, "is homosexuality worse then other sins?", I would think that 1 Cor. 6:9 which puts it on a list with other ungodly things, such as not being manly enough, would answer the question with a resounding No.

The fact of the matter is that Evangelicals generally treat homosexuality differently than the other sins.
Mac,
First, make your case for that unsubstantiated personal opinion, that gay is treated differently than other sins.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
The truth of the matter is this. Gay's and unbelieving professing (liberal) "christians?", keep ramming their immoral perverted agenda down everyone's throat against their will, and pushing the issue.
Your (and others) wrong misconception is actually driven by the gay and liberal agenda.
Case in point, of the laundry list of sins (and they are all sins including gay) that you list above, are you aware of any of these having a concerted effort to:
a) Get the particular sin accepted legally and actually change laws prohibiting the opposition of the immoral "abominable" behavior.
b) Attempt to have the perversion "accepted" by Christianity, in spite of it being clearly condemned behavior, in the Bible.
c) Employ smear campaigns and resort to name calling (homophobia etc. etc. etc.)
d) Actively work to undermine and employ disingenuous sophistry and twisting of clear Scripture to try and dignify and paint a pretty picture on immoral perversion not acceptable to the overwhelming majority of Christians and the secular public.
I am not aware of the fornication rights group.
I haven't heard of the thiefs united liberation front.
The clear distinction is this, the gay rights movement is ramrodding their perverse immoral sin and foisting it on the huge majority who are disgusted with the behavior.
I and most other Christians would prefer to not even talk about the homosexual perversion, but it won't be left alone, NOT BY US, but because of them.
Most Christians wouldn't bring the subject up because of the disgust with the behavior, just like murder, or thievery, or adultery, or fornication, or whatever.
There is no problem if it is kept behind closed doors, just like defecating or urinating bathroom habits that are done but not discussed.
If unrepentant homosexuals want to continue in their sin, keep it private.
But when you try and ram it down my throat, get it accepted legally, have pride parades exhibiting perversion publicly, and attempt to foist it on Christianity as accepted behavior, and argue that the Bible doesn't condemn it as sin, I draw the line.
Do your sin in private and don't tell me about it, or ask me to accept or subsidize it, because I won't or will not.
If you repent and as Jesus Christ said, "Go and sin no more" I'll accept you in Christian fellowship, just like all the rest of us had to.
Gay's don't get a free ride on sin, what makes them special???

Biker
From my observations, you are wrong. You personally are treating homosexuality as a different 'class' of sin. You don't rally against divorce or adultery like you do Homosexualtity. I wonder how many people obsessed with homosexuality have had affairs or got divorced.
Goat wrote:From my observations you are wrong.
From my observations you are wrong!
Goat wrote:You are personally treating gay as a different 'class' of sin
No I am not! Make your case. I am engaging in a forum of debate about 'homosexuality', arguing that the clear instruction within the Bible OT and NT that homosex is sin. So make your case. I would remind that, I am off topic before you start!
Goat wrote:You don't rally against divorce or adultery like you do gay.
Perhaps it is because they aren't the topic? In addition, I am not aware of a concerted effort of a group of people claiming to be Christian trying to change laws arguing that the above are ok not sin and the Bible doesn't say what it says regarding same, trying to get everyone accepting them as ok behavior, having adultery pride parades and then going to fellowship and promoting the behavior and then teaching and arguing on end that the Bible doesn't teach and affirm it is clearly sin. Also it is clearly accepted by all in Christianity, that your choices above are sin. So your point is moot.
Goat wrote: I wonder how many people obsessed with homosexuality have had affairs or got divorced.
Well I wonder if your on a personal fishing expedition? But to answer for myself, no! I have been married to the same woman for 36 years, no divorce. Now how about you?
To bring up a very important point here.
Those who are within Christianity who were divorced, or were a homosexual, have an advocate, Jesus Christ the righteous. If they went to God and confessed their sin and believed they are forgiven, they were forgiven. They will have to serve the consequences of their sin, brokenheart, depression, broken relationship with ex spouse and children, financial repercussions child support, alimony, etc. etc. etc., raising someone elses children in a new marriage, the list goes on and on. But in Christianity it is never the answer to divorce unless because of adultery. But It is recognized sin and dealt with as such. Not according to unrepentant homosexuals, they don't regard it as sin first of all and don't see the need for repentance and being forgiven for the sin of homosexuality, and then most importantly as Jesus said "Go and sin no more". Also gay rights advocates teach the Bible is wrong and God made them that way and serve to undermine the clear teaching of the Bible that homosexuality is an "abomination" to God. There is a clear distinction here in all practicality.
If there was a protracted, concerted, calculated, effort on behalf of a group of sinners called the adultery rights advocacy front, and they were working openly to undermine the clear teaching of the Bible employing sophistry and teaching that adultery is ok we were born that way and the Bible doesn't really say what it says regarding adultery and we can be openly adulterous people and be Christians. I would debate in that thread. But there isn't so I don't!
There may be a few nuts who say that, but I'm talking about an effort such as the gay rights advocates, who are a minority foisting their immorality on the clear overwhelming majority, who think gay is perversion.
Here is the difference, all humans have problems with sin. Christians know what sin is and if they fall, they go to God and ask forgiveness and turn from the sin resisting it and "Go and sin no more". But they recognize the sin, and acknowledge it as sin, and don't do it but in fact resist the sin, and don't teach that it is not sin and they were made that way by God and continue in the sin. All the while thumbing their noses at God, the clear teaching of the Bible and the accepted behavior within Christianity since the beginning.
Homosexuality is a clear sin according to the Bible, and mans inner conscience.

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Easyrider wrote:
goat wrote: (To Biker) From my observations, you are wrong. You personally are treating homosexuality as a different 'class' of sin. You don't rally against divorce or adultery like you do Homosexualtity.
We missed the "adultery-and-divorce" pride parades.
That is probably because people who divorce and commit adultery have not had problems with discrimination, abuse, violence, etc. in recent memories. When people have their rights abused, they sometimes decide they have to stand up for themselves.


But you generally don't see them mocking Christ and Christianity like many gays do in this photo:

http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2007/09 ... -last.html

That kind of sorry exposition, and many like that, do not help the pro-gay cause.
I would agree the poster is in poor taste, deliberately provocative, and not offered in love. It also does not help the cause of gay rights, in my view.

However, we should keep in mind that it says nothing about gays in general. We shouldn't present Fred Phelps as the face of Christianity, neither should we present this poster as saying anything about gays as a group.

goat wrote:
I wonder how many people obsessed with homosexuality have had affairs or got divorced.
Goat's trying to justify one sin by pointing to others. Not a good plan.
This is not really what Goat is doing. Goat is simply pointing out a hypocrisy as he sees it.

Yes, we can and perhaps should judge whether each of these is a sin independently, and which is 'worse' if we wish.

However, Goat's is a legitimate point. It is all the more relevant given that adultery and divorce are not forbidden by law, but gay marriage is. This is a hypocrisy promulgated by a mostly Christian population, arguably because this population is unwilling to enforce biblical prohibitions against adultery, divorce, and remarriage on itself, but is willing to discriminate against the small minority of people who are gay.

It is all the more problematical because divorce and adultery have victims. Gay sex and gay marriage does not.

Thus, the practice is not only hypocritical, it also is arguably unbiblical because we are allowing practices which are clearly 'sins against another person' and which, depending on the context, are probably violating the law of love and the golden rule, but we are prohibiting practices which are not sins against others and which do not violate the law of love or the golden rule.

In effect, we are allowing the 'worse' sins and prohibiting the lesser sin.
" . . . the line separating good and evil passes, not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart . . . ." Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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