God is Perfect!

[Furrowed Brow]

Hey what am I doing in the theology and doctrine forum?

Anyhow. I read this Here

If you believe in God then you must believe He is Perfect.

I’m a bit ignorant of doctrine. But I am curious. Where in scripture does it say that god is perfect. And exactly what is said?

Also, if god is perfect…what does that mean?

[OnceConvinced]

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I say that this premise is logical because if you try to think of God as less than Perfect then His works would be less than Perfect and He looses all claim to punish wrong doing.

But why? If he is the creator, then surely that gives him the right to punish wrong doing. Where does it say that only a perfect being has that claim?

I don't see that God can be considered perfect. If he was, then everyone would be saved, because he would have had a full proof way to bring everyone to him. After all, it was his will that none should perish. But obviously things haven't gone to well with his perfect plans there.

I don't see why God needs to be considered perfect. Why does God have to be perfect to be worshiped?

[Greatest I Am]

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I say that this premise is logical because if you try to think of God as less than Perfect then His works would be less than Perfect and He looses all claim to punish wrong doing.

But why? If he is the creator, then surely that gives him the right to punish wrong doing. Where does it say that only a perfect being has that claim?

GIA wrote
How can God justify punishing imperfection if He is the author of that imperfection? He cannot.
If I make a machine to make Perfect widgets and the machine fails to do so.
Should I punish the widgets for imperfection or should I fix the machine.
Fix the machine right? God is the machine.
In this case God, the Perfect person maker is not creating people Perfect.
How then can He justify punishing people because of His failings. He cannot.
Only a Perfect God and His Perfect judgement can punish. If He is not Perfect then His judgement can also be imperfect.
His judgements would always be in question.
Not the way a God would set things up. Right?


I don't see that God can be considered perfect. If he was, then everyone would be saved, because he would have had a full proof way to bring everyone to him. After all, it was his will that none should perish. But obviously things haven't gone to well with his perfect plans there.

GIA wrote
That depends on perspective.
From where I sit all about me is Perfect otherwise the Perfection of the beginning has been lost and God is back sliding towards full imperfection. God would not allow this obviously.
All the things that you see as imperfections are here because they fit into God's idea of Perfection. Evil is a part of this Perfection or God would not have included it into His Perfect systems. Perhaps this is why He tells us to ignore the wars and rumors of war ets.

I don't see why God needs to be considered perfect. Why does God have to be perfect to be worshiped?

Your own words give you the answer. We should not worship an imperfect God because there is always the possibility that a Perfect God will come along. How can we, not put anyone above me, if we are seeing an imperfect God? How can we trust His judgements?

If He says that genocide is wrong, can we believe it after He Himself used it against man in the Flood. NO. If it is right for Him then it is right for us. By the way I do not believe in the flood and only use it here to show a point.

If your God is not Perfect then He is a false God.

Regards
DL