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Why the Holy Spirit?

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Recent debate about God being a spirit being got me thinking about the trinity. The father, the son and the Holy Spirit. Many Christians believe all three are parts of one entity - God.

I for one always went along with the concept of the Trinity as a Christian and never thought about this until now. If God is a spirit then why does he have another part of himself called the Holy Spirit? In fact, why does he need that part at all?

My questions:
If God the father, is a spirit, why would he have a seperate part of himself called the Holy Spirit? Is it possible that God is not a spirit being at all, but only part of him is spiritual? (or maybe God the father is not Holy at all? ;) )

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OnceConvinced wrote:Recent debate about God being a spirit being got me thinking about the trinity. The father, the son and the Holy Spirit. Many Christians believe all three are parts of one entity - God.

I for one always went along with the concept of the Trinity as a Christian and never thought about this until now. If God is a spirit then why does he have another part of himself called the Holy Spirit? In fact, why does he need that part at all?

My questions:
If God the father, is a spirit, why would he have a seperate part of himself called the Holy Spirit? Is it possible that God is not a spirit being at all, but only part of him is spiritual? (or maybe God the father is not Holy at all? ;) )

Please do feel free to quote scripture if you wish.
"The Spirit of God" was used a few times in the old testament to indicate some special movement By God on the face of the earth, starting from gen 1:2. The Holy Spirit, also referred to as The Comforter, by Jesus, was not to come until Jesus died, indicating that it was the "Spirit of Christ," God's Son. Jesus made it clear that unless He died, the "comforter" would not come. The trinity is" God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit. God, the eternal "I Am.", Jesus, the son of God come in the flesh, and the Holy Spirit, the comforter, the spirit of Jesus sent after Jesus' ascension. To say they are "one" is so, in the sense that they are all connected together. But they each have a different function in man's creation and redemption. I am not very good at remembering Bible chapters and numbers, but could tie it together if necessary.

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OnceConvinced wrote:Recent debate about God being a spirit being got me thinking about the trinity. The father, the son and the Holy Spirit. Many Christians believe all three are parts of one entity - God.
As I understand the dogma of Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not parts of one God. They are each completely God. There is one God who is three persons. It makes no sense, it is a mystery.

Why the Holy Spirit?
  1. God is spirit John 4:24
  2. God is holy
  3. God is one
  4. Therefore, God is the[c] Holy Spirit[a]
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twobitsmedia wrote: "The Spirit of God" was used a few times in the old testament to indicate some special movement By God on the face of the earth, starting from gen 1:2. The Holy Spirit, also referred to as The Comforter, by Jesus, was not to come until Jesus died, indicating that it was the "Spirit of Christ," God's Son. Jesus made it clear that unless He died, the "comforter" would not come. The trinity is" God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit. God, the eternal "I Am.", Jesus, the son of God come in the flesh, and the Holy Spirit, the comforter, the spirit of Jesus sent after Jesus' ascension. To say they are "one" is so, in the sense that they are all connected together. But they each have a different function in man's creation and redemption. I am not very good at remembering Bible chapters and numbers, but could tie it together if necessary.
I agree that pretty much sums up what the bible has said, but doesn't really address my questions. I could understand if the HS was simply called "The comforter", but to call it the Holy Spirit is to suggest that it is something that God, the father, is not. So is God himself, not a holy spirit?

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McCulloch wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:Recent debate about God being a spirit being got me thinking about the trinity. The father, the son and the Holy Spirit. Many Christians believe all three are parts of one entity - God.
As I understand the dogma of Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not parts of one God. They are each completely God. There is one God who is three persons. It makes no sense, it is a mystery.

Why the Holy Spirit?
  1. God is spirit John 4:24
  2. God is holy
  3. God is one
  4. Therefore, God is the[c] Holy Spirit[a]


Yeah, I can see what you're saying there. Although then it's not really a trinity. It's simply a two part being. Jesus - God in human form and God - in spirit form, doing two seperate jobs.

My personal feeling is the writers of the bible didn't give it too much thought when they named the comforter the Holy Spirit.

I mean, I could say that at work I do a different job than what I do at home. I could even go by a different name and have a different name at home. eg Dad. But I'm still the one guy. I don't go around saying I'm two different people sharing the one body.
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McCulloch wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:Recent debate about God being a spirit being got me thinking about the trinity. The father, the son and the Holy Spirit. Many Christians believe all three are parts of one entity - God.
As I understand the dogma of Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not parts of one God. They are each completely God. There is one God who is three persons. It makes no sense, it is a mystery.

Why the Holy Spirit?
  1. God is spirit John 4:24
  2. God is holy
  3. God is one
  4. Therefore, God is the[c] Holy Spirit[a]


I guess my summation of why it makes no sense is because it makes no sense. They are "one" in the sense they are united, but have different iDs. Apparently the fundamentalist position is different, and to me, makes no sense.

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twobitsmedia wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:Recent debate about God being a spirit being got me thinking about the trinity. The father, the son and the Holy Spirit. Many Christians believe all three are parts of one entity - God.
As I understand the dogma of Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not parts of one God. They are each completely God. There is one God who is three persons. It makes no sense, it is a mystery.

Why the Holy Spirit?
  1. God is spirit John 4:24
  2. God is holy
  3. God is one
  4. Therefore, God is the[c] Holy Spirit[a]


I guess my summation of why it makes no sense is because it makes no sense. They are "one" in the sense they are united, but have different iDs. Apparently the fundamentalist position is different, and to me, makes no sense.


Do you see them as just the one entity, but doing different jobs?

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OnceConvinced wrote:
twobitsmedia wrote: "The Spirit of God" was used a few times in the old testament to indicate some special movement By God on the face of the earth, starting from gen 1:2. The Holy Spirit, also referred to as The Comforter, by Jesus, was not to come until Jesus died, indicating that it was the "Spirit of Christ," God's Son. Jesus made it clear that unless He died, the "comforter" would not come. The trinity is" God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit. God, the eternal "I Am.", Jesus, the son of God come in the flesh, and the Holy Spirit, the comforter, the spirit of Jesus sent after Jesus' ascension. To say they are "one" is so, in the sense that they are all connected together. But they each have a different function in man's creation and redemption. I am not very good at remembering Bible chapters and numbers, but could tie it together if necessary.
I agree that pretty much sums up what the bible has said, but doesn't really address my questions. I could understand if the HS was simply called "The comforter", but to call it the Holy Spirit is to suggest that it is something that God, the father, is not. So is God himself, not a holy spirit?
God is Holy, Jesus is Holy....anything in relation to God is Holy. Why it got the special designation in the New Testament is something I do not know. I believe earlier translations used the word "Holy Ghost."

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OnceConvinced wrote:
twobitsmedia wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:Recent debate about God being a spirit being got me thinking about the trinity. The father, the son and the Holy Spirit. Many Christians believe all three are parts of one entity - God.
As I understand the dogma of Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not parts of one God. They are each completely God. There is one God who is three persons. It makes no sense, it is a mystery.

Why the Holy Spirit?
  1. God is spirit John 4:24
  2. God is holy
  3. God is one
  4. Therefore, God is the[c] Holy Spirit[a]


I guess my summation of why it makes no sense is because it makes no sense. They are "one" in the sense they are united, but have different iDs. Apparently the fundamentalist position is different, and to me, makes no sense.


Do you see them as just the one entity, but doing different jobs?


I don't see them as one entity, but all related as one.
God created the world and will end it. He knows when the time will come, as Jesus said that even He did not know, only "the Father." All power and authority ultmately belong to Him. Jesus came in the flesh and died as an ultimate redemptive act for mankind. His fleshly mission is complete until He returns again for one last time. The Holy Spirit is the power of Jesus which touches man. When someone says they sense "Jesus" or the "spirit", it is the holy Spirit, that works within individuals hearts "for the tranforming and renewing of the mind.". The spirit of God did occasionally touch peoples lives on earth in OT history. But in the days since Jesus' ascension, the spirit was poured out over all the earth.

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twobitsmedia wrote: I don't see them as one entity, but all related as one.
God created the world and will end it. He knows when the time will come, as Jesus said that even He did not know, only "the Father." All power and authority ultmately belong to Him. Jesus came in the flesh and died as an ultimate redemptive act for mankind. His fleshly mission is complete until He returns again for one last time. The Holy Spirit is the power of Jesus which touches man. When someone says they sense "Jesus" or the "spirit", it is the holy Spirit, that works within individuals hearts "for the tranforming and renewing of the mind.". The spirit of God did occasionally touch peoples lives on earth in OT history. But in the days since Jesus' ascension, the spirit was poured out over all the earth.
Pretty much what I believed as a Christian.

I saw the Holy Spirit as sort of like a wind that came from God. Is that the way you see it?

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