Can a muslim be a good 'American'

[justifyothers]

This is floating around the web. I thought it was an interesting debate topic.......

CAN A GOOD MUSLIM BE A GOOD AMERICAN ??

>Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of
>Arabia.
>
>Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except
>Islam (Quran, 2:256)
>
>Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam
>and the Quran (Koran).
>
>Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns
>in prayer five times a day.
>
>Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends
>with Christians or Jews.
>
>Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders),
>who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America,
>the great Satan.
>
>Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat
>and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
>
>Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
>since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be
>corrupt.
>
>Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
>freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot
>co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
>
>Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "One Nation Under God," the
>Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as
>heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent
>names.
>
>Therefore after much study and deliberation... perhaps we should be very
>suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both
>"good" Muslims and good Americans.

[McCulloch]

This is floating around the web. I thought it was an interesting debate topic.......

Probably not.

CAN A GOOD MUSLIM BE A GOOD AMERICAN ??

Many are.

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

And others hold allegiance to the gods or to no god. Is America a theocracy?

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

But they are to hold the people of the Book up to a certain level of respect. There are moderates and extremists, tolerant and intolerant Muslims.

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

I did not know that the scripture had anything to say about being an American.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

I guess that would rule out Catholics who's Holy Father lives near Rome.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

I have Muslim friends.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Really? All Muslims?

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Like Christianity, there are different interpretations. Is every Christian husband the head of his wife and does not allow her to speak or to teach men?

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

I can show that the American Constitution and the American Declaration of Independence are not based on Biblical principles.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

And Christianity has always been the model of toleration and acceptance?

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "One Nation Under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

"On Nation Under God" was a really stupid idea and should be scrapped. However, it does not specify which God, does it?

Therefore after much study and deliberation... perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.

Therefore after little study and less deliberation, perhaps we should be very suspicious of all those who would restrict citizenship based on race, religion or gender.

[bernee51]

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>Therefore after much study and deliberation... perhaps we should be very
>suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both
>"good" Muslims and good Americans.

is this crap you beleive or are you posting it just to stir debate?

Can a buddhist be a good American? Can a beleiver in Judaism be a good American? Can an atheist be a good American?

What exactly is a 'good American?'

[justifyothers]

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>Therefore after much study and deliberation... perhaps we should be very
>suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both
>"good" Muslims and good Americans.

is this crap you beleive or are you posting it just to stir debate?

Can a buddhist be a good American? Can a beleiver in Judaism be a good American? Can an atheist be a good American?

What exactly is a 'good American?'

I don't believe this..........just posting for debate. I know not all Muslims are haters of Americans. However, I am NOT politically correct enough to say that NONE are.

[The Project Hate]

Can a buddhist be a good American? Can a beleiver in Judaism be a good American? Can an atheist be a good American?

Can also work with " Can an idiot be a good american ?".


PS: This is not directed to you, justifyothers.

[justifyothers]

Can a buddhist be a good American? Can a beleiver in Judaism be a good American? Can an atheist be a good American?

Can also work with " Can an idiot be a good american ?".


PS: This is not directed to you, justifyothers.

I don't even know if I am a good American - whatever that is. I cannot tolerate the government of any country. And I think we should have open borders with Mexico. So, there's my unpatriotic side.

[The Project Hate]

My point was actually that the guy that wrote what you quoted in first post is an idiot and therefore can't be "a good american".

Sorry not to have been clear enough. :p

[Cephus]

I know not all Muslims are haters of Americans. However, I am NOT politically correct enough to say that NONE are.

Just like not all Christians are haters of America, but you can't say that none are.

[micatala]

Moderator Intervention

justifyothers wrote:

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>Therefore after much study and deliberation... perhaps we should be very
>suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both
>"good" Muslims and good Americans.

is this crap you beleive or are you posting it just to stir debate?

I would remind posters to provide evidence and or logic to back up their assertions. Simply labeling another member's arguements as 'crap' does not meet the standard of civil debate.

However, that being said, the following is not justified and is also a violation of the rules against personal attacks.

My point was actually that the guy that wrote what you quoted in first post is an idiot and therefore can't be "a good american".

Sorry not to have been clear enough. :p

[The Project Hate]

The following is not justified and is also a violation of the rules against personal attacks.

My point was actually that the guy that wrote what you quoted in first post is an idiot and therefore can't be "a good american".

Sorry not to have been clear enough. :p

How can it be personal if i don't know who wrote it in first place ?