Is everyone born innocent?

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Ephesians 2:1-3, "You hath he quickened (made alive), who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

A recent survey found that 73% of Canadian Evangelical respondents agreed with the statement that "Everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God," while 60% agreed that "Everyone sins a little, but most people are good by nature."

Question: "Do these results display a profound misunderstanding regarding the foundational biblical teaching about original sin and the implications of Adam's sin for all mankind?"

[myth-one.com]

Ephesians 2:1-3, "You hath he quickened (made alive), who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

A recent survey found that 73% of Canadian Evangelical respondents agreed with the statement that "Everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God," while 60% agreed that "Everyone sins a little, but most people are good by nature."

Question: "Do these results display a profound misunderstanding regarding the foundational biblical teaching about original sin and the implications of Adam's sin for all mankind?"

Sin is the transgression of God's laws, or commandments:

For sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4)

However, to commit a sin, one must first recognize that the act is a sin:

To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. (James 4:17)

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. (Romans 5:13)

Only 73% believed that "Everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God!"

I wonder what sins were counted against them before their birth? Little demons.

What exactly are "Canadian Evangelical respondents"?

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Ephesians 2:1-3, "You hath he quickened (made alive), who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

A recent survey found that 73% of Canadian Evangelical respondents agreed with the statement that "Everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God," while 60% agreed that "Everyone sins a little, but most people are good by nature."

Question: "Do these results display a profound misunderstanding regarding the foundational biblical teaching about original sin and the implications of Adam's sin for all mankind?"

Sin is the transgression of God's laws, or commandments:

For sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4)

However, to commit a sin, one must first recognize that the act is a sin:

To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. (James 4:17)

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. (Romans 5:13)

Only 73% believed that "Everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God!"

I wonder what sins were counted against them before their birth? Little demons.

What exactly are "Canadian Evangelical respondents"?

Question: Is Romans 5 speaking of physical or spiritual death?

[myth-one.com]

Question: Is Romans 5 speaking of physical or spiritual death?

There are natural bodies and spiritual bodies.

And that which is born of the flesh is flesh.

And that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Flesh bodies will all die.

But once born of the Spirit, spiritual bodies can never die.

Everyone whose name is written in the Book of Life will be born again of the Spirit as spirits at the Second Coming.

One can abort or prevent their being born again as an immortal spirit by getting their name blotted out of the Book of Life.

But once one is born of the Spirit as a spirit, they will remain alive for all eternity.

Be sure that is what you desire. There's no exit door.

Since spirits cannot die, Romans 5 is probably speaking about physical death.

[Consocius]

Question: "Do these results display a profound misunderstanding regarding the foundational biblical teaching about original sin and the implications of Adam's sin for all mankind?"

The innocence can be understood differently. Babies are mostly felt to be innocence, but this is, as I read, is due to the angelic presence with them, angels deriving innocence not from their own but from the Lord with them. But the babies are not born out of thin air, but out of the parents, and if parents did not look to the Lord, and their parents, and greatparents, or did not look sufficiently well, it is natural that they have gathered a lot of the hereditary evil, which is to love oneself above God and the world above the neighbour. So, the babies can together with the hereditary evil. And sometimes also good, if the parents looked to the Lord and shunned evils as sins, but even those latter goods with the babies are not spiritual, but merely natural, and in that sense that hereditary package cannot be seen as the innocence itself.

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Question: Is Romans 5 speaking of physical or spiritual death?

There are natural bodies and spiritual bodies.

And that which is born of the flesh is flesh.

And that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Flesh bodies will all die.

But once born of the Spirit, spiritual bodies can never die.

Everyone whose name is written in the Book of Life will be born again of the Spirit as spirits at the Second Coming.

One can abort or prevent their being born again as an immortal spirit by getting their name blotted out of the Book of Life.

But once one is born of the Spirit as a spirit, they will remain alive for all eternity.

Be sure that is what you desire. There's no exit door.

Since spirits cannot die, Romans 5 is probably speaking about physical death.

Correct!

[lastdaysbeliever]

Ephesians 2:1-3, "You hath he quickened (made alive), who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

A recent survey found that 73% of Canadian Evangelical respondents agreed with the statement that "Everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God," while 60% agreed that "Everyone sins a little, but most people are good by nature."

Question: "Do these results display a profound misunderstanding regarding the foundational biblical teaching about original sin and the implications of Adam's sin for all mankind?"

Yes. Those results point to spiritual blindness, spiritual relativity, that permeates so much of Protestant denominations.

Psalm.51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

*edited for spelling

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Ephesians 2:1-3, "You hath he quickened (made alive), who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

A recent survey found that 73% of Canadian Evangelical respondents agreed with the statement that "Everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God," while 60% agreed that "Everyone sins a little, but most people are good by nature."

Question: "Do these results display a profound misunderstanding regarding the foundational biblical teaching about original sin and the implications of Adam's sin for all mankind?"

Yes. Those results point to spiritual blindness, spiritual relativity, that permeates so much of Protestant denominations.

Psalm.51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

*edited for spelling

Ladydaysbeliever, wrote, "Those results point to spiritual blindness, spiritual relativity, that permeates so much of Protestant denominations."

Why Protestant only? The 1700-year history and corruption of the Catholic Church don't shine like a bright light on a hill. And are you speaking of any particular Protestant denomination? I'm Independent, don't believe in organized religion. I stand on a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, but I do know a lot of good Baptists.

[lastdaysbeliever]

Ephesians 2:1-3, "You hath he quickened (made alive), who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

A recent survey found that 73% of Canadian Evangelical respondents agreed with the statement that "Everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God," while 60% agreed that "Everyone sins a little, but most people are good by nature."

Question: "Do these results display a profound misunderstanding regarding the foundational biblical teaching about original sin and the implications of Adam's sin for all mankind?"

Yes. Those results point to spiritual blindness, spiritual relativity, that permeates so much of Protestant denominations.

Psalm.51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

*edited for spelling

Ladydaysbeliever, wrote, "Those results point to spiritual blindness, spiritual relativity, that permeates so much of Protestant denominations."

Why Protestant only? The 1700-year history and corruption of the Catholic Church don't shine like a bright light on a hill. And are you speaking of any particular Protestant denomination? I'm Independent, don't believe in organized religion. I stand on a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, but I do know a lot of good Baptists.

Your OP pointed at evangelicals, protestants, so I addressed my reply accordingly.

Blessings,

ldb

P.s. I don't believe RCism is Christian but a heterdoxical unbiblical denomination. Perhaps before the late 5th century, even before the time of Constantine, the church in Rome was part of the ekklesia, but has not been since.

*edited to add post script.

[JehovahsWitness]

INNOCENCE is defined as the state of being free from guilt, moral wrong, or legal fault. It most commonly refers to an absence of responsibility for a crime, or a pure, uncorrupted quality marked by a lack of worldly experience and naiveté

source : https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... /innocence

Babies are born "innocent" in the sense then that they are unworldly and lack the intellectual capacity to make moral judgements. Scripturally they cannot be judged as being guilty of (and therefore punishable for) wrongdoing because a baby cannot understand the concept of wrongdoing and is incapable of making the moral decision to avoid it.

Innocence (or blamelessness) should not however confused with perfection in the absolute sense. PERFECTION biblically refers to meeting God's standards and even a baby cannot do that since they are born in an "imperfect" state due to having inherited a sinful condition (a natural leaning towards wrongdoing) passed on to all humans from our first parents Adam and Eve.

JOB 14:4
Who can produce someone clean from someone unclean? No one can!

ROMANS 5:12 NWT

 That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin,+ and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned

Like a genetic disease, this sinful condition means that every baby is born with a encoded glitch, every baby will grow older and commit sins and this also inevitability means every new born baby is destined to grow old, get sick and eventually die. It is to this predisposed "genetic" tendence that David wrote

PSALM 51:5

5 Look! I was born guilty of error, And my mother conceived me in sin

Further reading The truth about sin
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010414


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