Who created all things?

[servant1]

Isaiah 44:24- This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth. Who was with me?

Myself= the only power source and designer. How do we know this-Because Jesus was involved as well-How?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image-US = more than 1 being--Gen 1:27-HE( 1 being) created--Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.
Jesus= The firstborn of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning--PROOF=Prov 8:22 Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating). The Hebrew word used for possessed means-created. Thus created direct, first and last, all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3, Col 1:160) Through = another did the creating).= Jehovah.-)--- things created through Gods master worker. The word only begotten son means monogenes=unique=created direct first and last.
Most religions teach untruth on this matter, but i have presented bible facts on it.
Do you believe the evidence?

[FruitoftheSpirit]

[Replying to FruitoftheSpirit in post #67]


I didn't say Jesus existed as wisdom, Prov 8= wisdom personified=The firstborn of all creation=Gods master worker( Prov 8:30) = the one who was beside God during creation=Jesus. Possessed=Created me as the beginning of your way( creating)- It cant be wisdom being created wisdom had to already exist for God to create. How could he create if he didn't have wisdom already?

Review the entire chapter of Proverbs 8, the personified wisdom represents a specific wisdom, it is the wisdom YHVH created for man, it is the instruction of YHVH for mankind to which man is to love and follow.

Notice this wisdom brings forth unto man righteousness, life and favor with YHVH.

Proverbs 8:20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: 21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures. 22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting (ôlām - antiquity, long time past), from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. 32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways. 33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. 34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. 35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD. 36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

We know from Titus 1 that before the world was YHVH had promised eternal life unto man, to which comes through righteousness which comes through being born of YHVH's Spirit, which that Spirit contains the wisdom that is for man to behold.

YHVH, before the world was, had prepared for the creation of humans before He brought them into existence. In that preparation He created the specific wisdom that is for mankind, His instruction and laws that are for mankind, to which is to become written in our hearts through His promised Spirit.

the text in Proverbs does not call the personified wisdom "The firstborn of all creation", it says, "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old".

The wisdom in Proverbs 8 is distinguished as the wisdom that is for mankind and this wisdom was made by YHVH before His works of old, it was created during the preparation period.

When YHVH was preparing for the creation of mankind we know that the Son of Man, Jesus of Nazareth, was in His Word, where this man was promised to receive YHVH's Spirit of Wisdom, to which is wisdom YHVH created for man to take hold of where it brings forth righteousness and obedience.

In YHVH's preparation before the world was, even this man's death on the cross was ordained, likewise his resurrection and him becoming a firstborn of many brethren, where upon his resurrection he received the Promised Spirit and YHVH declared "this day have I begotten thee".

Jesus was IN YHVH's WORD before the world was and YHVH was creating all things by reason of him and for him, as not only would he become a firstborn over all of the New Heaven and Earth but he would be made a king of kings and a lord of lords over it.

This Son of Man returns in the glory of our Father where the Father's Spirit of Wisdom dwells in him. It's wisdom to which YHVH designed for man specifically so that man can live in a manner to which YHVH had intended from the beginning, to which YHVH possessed for man before the world even was.

Does this make sense? YHVH didn't design the human brain without having created the wisdom to which humans would obtain and then function by, being able to walk in all His ways living in righteousness.

1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? 2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. 3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors. 4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man. 5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart. 6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things. 7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips. 8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them. 9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge. 10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

Proverb 8 doesn't speak of the wisdom in a person's head. Everything about verses 22-30 show a particular individual, not a thought. Why would the verse (23) say that "I was installed...from times earlier than the earth"? Wisdom wouldn't need to be installed in God because He already had wisdom. And it wouldn't be installed in people because it was formed long before humans were created. It is more accurate, IMHO, to refer to this "wisdom" as a Person in close contact with God, who was fond of men (verse 31), and "glad before God." (30)

You seem to have missed my point entirely.

Proverbs does not speak of a particular individual it is speaking of a particular kind of wisdom. In Proverbs 8 we are being given a specific kind of wisdom that comes out of YHVH's Spirit of wisdom. This specific wisdom is wisdom that is for mankind, to instruct him in the way that he should go so that he can be pleasing to YHVH. This specific wisdom that was created for mankind is held within the greater wisdom that is of YHVH. This wisdom that is for mankind is being personified and it seems you don't understand what that would entail because you turn the specific wisdom into being an actual person and not this wisdom being actually personified.

We are given that YHVH declared the End from the beginning. Isaiah 46

We are given that before the world was YHVH promised man eternal life. Titus 1

We are given,

Acts 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

YHVH prepared not only heaven, earth and man before they came into existence, He also prepared for man's salvation, He also prepared for the man who would bring that salvation forth. "Known unto God are all His works from the beginning of the world" because He had already declared the End from the Beginning, because before the world even was, the man Jesus was in His WORD, just as eternal life unto mankind was already in His WORD, just as YHVH giving His Spirit unto man to cause him to walk in all His ways was in His WORD before the world began.

YHVH, before the world began, before humans existed, He prepared for their creation and in that preparation YHVH created the very wisdom to which man would need to obtain to have eternal life. As previously said, YHVH didn't design the human brain without having created the very wisdom to which humans would need to obtain to then be able to function walking in all of YHVH's ways. This wisdom for man was personified in Proverbs 8. Jesus is the man who sits at YHVH's right hand and holds this wisdom, it dwells within him and it causes him to walk in all of YHVH's ways.