Seven Spirits of God

placebofactor · Post by **placebofactor** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:33 am

Following is a question that has always confused me. Still not sure of it's meaning. Are there seven literal Spirits, or is it one Spirit manifesting himself in seven energies, operations, or attributes, which are rhetorically personified?

The following verses are in question: Revelation 1:4, “And from the seven Spirits which are before the throne; and from Jesus Christ who is the faithful witness,”

Revelation 4:5, “And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.”

Isaiah wrote, "And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD." Only six are mentioned here.

Revelation 3:1, “These things saith he that has the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars;”

Revelation 5:6, “A Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”

Your thoughts:

William · Post by **William** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:38 pm

[Replying to placebofactor in post #10]

No, the LORD didn't make himself an Ass, he spoke through the animal.

Take me through the steps as to how a ghosty thing "speaks through" an animal thing.

placebofactor · Post by **placebofactor** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:52 am

William wrote: ↑Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:38 pm [Replying to placebofactor in post #10]

No, the LORD didn't make himself an Ass, he spoke through the animal.
Take me through the steps as to how a ghosty thing "speaks through" an animal thing.

If you're an atheist, I can't. If you're a Christian, we call it a sign, a work done by the power of the Almighty. It was not the donkey's will to talk; it was the will of God. Stubborn people cannot be convinced by common methods or by common sense, so, when necessary, unconventional means will be used by the LORD to help them change their minds.

The LORD has sent serpents, locusts, hornets, earthquakes, storms, etc., to convince people of his power and authority. And for those who remain stubborn, death usually follows them.

William · Post by **William** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:47 pm

placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:52 am
William wrote: ↑Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:38 pm [Replying to placebofactor in post #10]

No, the LORD didn't make himself an Ass, he spoke through the animal.
Take me through the steps as to how a ghosty thing "speaks through" an animal thing.
If you're an atheist, I can't.

I am not an atheist so no problems there...

If you're a Christian, we call it a sign, a work done by the power of the Almighty.

Its a Jewish story, and as I understand it, Jews call such events "signs" and such can be regarded as performed by something mightier than the experiencer since it is alternate t the usual nature of things (donkey's in this case) so I can agree that such is at least performed by something mightier but reserve opinion on the performers being ALL mighty...

It was not the donkey's will to talk;

Having heard them in their natural state, they do indeed like to "talk" - so the idea is that a ghosty thingy possessed the donkey against its will and proceeded to use the animal to get a message across to a stubborn servant which resulted in the prevention of the servant's extra sensory sight from seeing the messenger without all that extra fuss...one can see the humor in the story there - "plan B - possess the donkey and use it's lungs and lips to voice to the servant a protest re cruelty to animals and wandering wayward from what the LORD was attempting to navigate...sounds reasonable...

it was the will of God.

It was the will of a god, I will meet you there but wont assume the god wasn't a God (or perhaps even a GOd) but niether will I assume the God was GOD...that last part you may not understand if you are a Christian, but if you are more along the lines of a Whole Fellow then yes you will and we can talk together about GOD.

Stubborn people cannot be convinced by common methods or by common sense, so, when necessary, unconventional means will be used by the LORD to help them change their minds.

Yes, I have noticed that about this god, God. He has an agenda and fast forward into the present we can see the world stage reflects this...it remains to be seen how all this ongoing navigation has affected the world re that...I personally am looking for the punchline....

The LORD has sent serpents, locusts, hornets, earthquakes, storms, etc.,

Not to forget the angels and the demons, Jesus, Lucifer, Enlil, Enki (not biblically mentioned by name but recognisable in the characters nonetheless)...lest we forget...

to convince people of his power and authority.

Spooky - that is mirrored in what President Donald J Trump has done re the Euro-Union...would God use humans this way? Or for that matter, would GOD? (perhaps a GOd would?)

And for those who remain stubborn, death usually follows them.

Like those in Gaza...and eventually every one of us...we better place "Death" on the list of God's faithful servants....

...soooo anyhoo, about what a "spirit" is and then we can get to why God has 7 of them... so how close is Earl to being correct where he wrote:

Re: Seven Spirits of God
Post #5
Post by earl » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:58 am

The 7 spirits are , from the first to the last of which only man possesses all 7 spirits. Mind below that of human life does not possess worship or wisdom.These are attached mind spirits to the holy spirit .
Intuition
understanding
courage
knowledge
council
worship
Wisdom
A complete 7 spirits like the list formed above are not found in the Bible.
There is only one book known to list all 7 spirits and their function,The Urantia Book.
The reader decides its authenticity

placebofactor · Post by **placebofactor** » Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:32 pm

William wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:47 pm
placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:52 am
William wrote: ↑Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:38 pm [Replying to placebofactor in post #10]

No, the LORD didn't make himself an Ass, he spoke through the animal.
Take me through the steps as to how a ghosty thing "speaks through" an animal thing.
If you're an atheist, I can't.

I am not an atheist so no problems there...

If you're a Christian, we call it a sign, a work done by the power of the Almighty.
Its a Jewish story, and as I understand it, Jews call such events "signs" and such can be regarded as performed by something mightier than the experiencer since it is alternate t the usual nature of things (donkey's in this case) so I can agree that such is at least performed by something mightier but reserve opinion on the performers being ALL mighty...

It was not the donkey's will to talk;
Having heard them in their natural state, they do indeed like to "talk" - so the idea is that a ghosty thingy possessed the donkey against its will and proceeded to use the animal to get a message across to a stubborn servant which resulted in the prevention of the servant's extra sensory sight from seeing the messenger without all that extra fuss...one can see the humor in the story there - "plan B - possess the donkey and use it's lungs and lips to voice to the servant a protest re cruelty to animals and wandering wayward from what the LORD was attempting to navigate...sounds reasonable...

it was the will of God.
It was the will of a god, I will meet you there but wont assume the god wasn't a God (or perhaps even a GOd) but niether will I assume the God was GOD...that last part you may not understand if you are a Christian, but if you are more along the lines of a Whole Fellow then yes you will and we can talk together about GOD.

Stubborn people cannot be convinced by common methods or by common sense, so, when necessary, unconventional means will be used by the LORD to help them change their minds.
Yes, I have noticed that about this god, God. He has an agenda and fast forward into the present we can see the world stage reflects this...it remains to be seen how all this ongoing navigation has affected the world re that...I personally am looking for the punchline....

The LORD has sent serpents, locusts, hornets, earthquakes, storms, etc.,

Not to forget the angels and the demons, Jesus, Lucifer, Enlil, Enki (not biblically mentioned by name but recognisable in the characters nonetheless)...lest we forget...

to convince people of his power and authority.
Spooky - that is mirrored in what President Donald J Trump has done re the Euro-Union...would God use humans this way? Or for that matter, would GOD? (perhaps a GOd would?)

And for those who remain stubborn, death usually follows them.
Like those in Gaza...and eventually every one of us...we better place "Death" on the list of God's faithful servants....

...soooo anyhoo, about what a "spirit" is and then we can get to why God has 7 of them... so how close is Earl to being correct where he wrote:

Re: Seven Spirits of God
Post #5
Post by earl » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:58 am

The 7 spirits are , from the first to the last of which only man possesses all 7 spirits. Mind below that of human life does not possess worship or wisdom.These are attached mind spirits to the holy spirit .
Intuition
understanding
courage
knowledge
council
worship
Wisdom
A complete 7 spirits like the list formed above are not found in the Bible.
There is only one book known to list all 7 spirits and their function,The Urantia Book.
The reader decides its authenticity

Are you saying that the 7 (attributes) are the Spirits that are before God's throne? Hmmm! possible, maybe.

I have given this a great deal of thought over the years. My conclusion is, before the throne of the Father, there are 7 actual (Holy Spirits) creatures that John saw. When the creation began, one of the seven was sent by the Father to assist his Son in the creation, and to assist in the salvation of mankind. When the rapture of the church occurs, He will return with the raptured saints to his place in heaven before the Father's throne. The last time he is seen on earth will be when he is sent back to raise the two witnesses of Revelation 11:11, "After three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet;" verse 12, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, come up hither, and they ascended up to heaven in a cloud and their enemies beheld them." Just a thought!

William · Post by **William** » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:32 pm

[Replying to placebofactor in post #14]

Are you saying that the 7 (attributes) are the Spirits that are before God's throne? Hmmm! possible, maybe.

Earl said that.

I have given this a great deal of thought over the years.

What prompted you to do this?

My conclusion is, before the throne of the Father, there are 7 actual (Holy Spirits) creatures that John saw.

How does one see ghosty things?

When the creation began, one of the seven was sent by the Father to assist his Son in the creation, and to assist in the salvation of mankind.

What do you base this theory on?

When the rapture of the church occurs, He will return with the raptured saints to his place in heaven before the Father's throne. The last time he is seen on earth will be when he is sent back to raise the two witnesses of Revelation 11:11, "After three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet;"

More ghosty things possessing flesh to animate it....there appears to be a theme...

Just a thought!

Indeed. My thought is that whomever "John" was, we can take into account his belief systems prior to having his trip, as it comes through in his writing. Still, this does not answer the thread question - and this particular writing stands out as something akin to a mushroom trip as well as something which can be (and is) interpreted in many different ways, which leads me to suspect that this was why it was included in the Canon by the Roman Authorities, as it has the ability to keep individuals distracted trying to work out its obvious mysteries in some hope that this will make a difference to their lives...while said authorities continued in their manipulative brutal ways.

placebofactor · Post by **placebofactor** » Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:16 am

William wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:32 pm [Replying to placebofactor in post #14]

Are you saying that the 7 (attributes) are the Spirits that are before God's throne? Hmmm! possible, maybe.
Earl said that.

Sorry.

I have given this a great deal of thought over the years.
What prompted you to do this?

'Curiosity"

My conclusion is, before the throne of the Father, there are 7 actual (Holy Spirits) creatures that John saw.
How does one see ghosty things?

You will have to ask John when you meet him. The LORD gave John, Paul, Ezekiel, Isaiah, and others the ability to view the Spirit world. Maybe they had "Betty Davis' eyes." Just kidding!

When the creation began, one of the seven was sent by the Father to assist his Son in the creation, and to assist in the salvation of mankind.
What do you base this theory on?

If there are 7 Spirits before the throne in heaven, but we see only one throughout the Scriptures, 7 -1 = 6 remain before the Father's throne, one accompanies Jesus here on earth. He is seen from Genesis to Revelation.

When the rapture of the church occurs, He will return with the raptured saints to his place in heaven before the Father's throne. The last time he is seen on earth will be when he is sent back to raise the two witnesses of Revelation 11:11, "After three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet;"
More ghosty things possessing flesh to animate it....there appears to be a theme...

I agree. John sees the Holy Spirit come down as a dove.
Just a thought!
Indeed. My thought is that whomever "John" was, we can take into account his belief systems prior to having his trip, as it comes through in his writing. Still, this does not answer the thread question - and this particular writing stands out as something akin to a mushroom trip as well as something which can be (and is) interpreted in many different ways, which leads me to suspect that this was why it was included in the Canon by the Roman Authorities, as it has the ability to keep individuals distracted trying to work out its obvious mysteries in some hope that this will make a difference to their lives...while said authorities continued in their manipulative brutal ways.