If human DNA shows that Native Americans are not descended from Semites,
.....and if that disproves the Book of Mormon,
.....and if Semites are supposed to be descended from Noah,
.....how does human DNA disprove the Book of Mormon without disproving the book of Genesis as well?
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Post #2Where would one obtain a DNA sample from Noah, or from Noah's sons, to be able to make such a comparative analysis?Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 9:18 am If human DNA shows that Native Americans are not descended from Semites,
.....and if that disproves the Book of Mormon,
.....and if Semites are supposed to be descended from Noah,
.....how does human DNA disprove the Book of Mormon without disproving the book of Genesis as well?
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Post #3A more productive "IF"...
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
IF you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowances for their doubting too;
IF you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;
IF you can dream-and not make dreams your master;
IF you can think-and not make thoughts your aim,
IF you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
IF you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build’em up with worn-out tools;
IF you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
IF you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”
IF you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings-nor lose the common touch,
IF neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
IF all men count with you, but none too much;
IF you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth - of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And-which is more-you’ll be a Man, my son!
-Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936).
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
IF you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowances for their doubting too;
IF you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;
IF you can dream-and not make dreams your master;
IF you can think-and not make thoughts your aim,
IF you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
IF you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build’em up with worn-out tools;
IF you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
IF you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”
IF you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings-nor lose the common touch,
IF neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
IF all men count with you, but none too much;
IF you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth - of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And-which is more-you’ll be a Man, my son!
-Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936).
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Post #4[Replying to A Freeman in post #2]
A DNA sample from Noah shouldn't be needed if a Great Flood left him the sole surviving patriarch of the Semitic line.Where would one obtain a DNA sample from Noah, or from Noah's sons, to be able to make such a comparative analysis?
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Post #5Shem/Sem was one of Noah's three sons, from whom the Semites were descended.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 9:59 am [Replying to A Freeman in post #2]
A DNA sample from Noah shouldn't be needed if a Great Flood left him the sole surviving patriarch of the Semitic line.Where would one obtain a DNA sample from Noah, or from Noah's sons, to be able to make such a comparative analysis?
Genesis 10:1-3
10:1 Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem*, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
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Post #6[Replying to A Freeman in post #5]
Then Semites would still be descended from Noah, and Native Americans wouldn't.Shem/Sem was one of Noah's three sons, from whom the Semites were descended.
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Post #7Marke: Not all assumptions about DNA are correct, especially those assumptions that DNA proves humans descended from monkey's uncles.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 9:18 am If human DNA shows that Native Americans are not descended from Semites,
.....and if that disproves the Book of Mormon,
.....and if Semites are supposed to be descended from Noah,
.....how does human DNA disprove the Book of Mormon without disproving the book of Genesis as well?
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Yes, some assumptions about DNA are incorrect or need further refinement. For example, the common misconception that DNA is the sole determinant of traits is not entirely true, as environmental factors also play a significant role. Additionally, assumptions about the reliability of DNA evidence in forensic contexts, such as the belief that a DNA match guarantees guilt, are also inaccurate.
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Post #8[Replying to marke in post #7]
Another swipe at evolution?Not all assumptions about DNA are correct, especially those assumptions that DNA proves humans descended from monkey's uncles.
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Post #9Marke: Forcing a distinction between fact and theory is not an attack on anything apart from rebuking misrepresentations of truth.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 9:04 pm [Replying to marke in post #7]
Another swipe at evolution?Not all assumptions about DNA are correct, especially those assumptions that DNA proves humans descended from monkey's uncles.
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Post #10[Replying to marke in post #9]
Theories are built on facts.Forcing a distinction between fact and theory is not an attack on anything apart from rebuking misrepresentations of truth.
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