Four hundred years before the birth of Jesus, Malachi, the last prophet of the Old Testament wrote concerning the Jews, “You have profaned (my name) in that you say, the table of the LORD is polluted;” “I even I will send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because you do not lay it to heart.”
“You have departed out of the way, you have caused many to stumble at the law, you have corrupted the covenant of Levi,”
“But unto you who fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and you shall go forth and grow up as calves of the stall.” This was the condition of the Jews when Jesus came to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Judas had already betrayed Jesus, and Jesus also knew beforehand that his disciples would forsake him. In John 17:3, Jesus prayed these words to his Father, “And this is life eternal, that they (his disciples) might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”
Eternal life is the great end that is set before us. Eternal life lies only in the knowledge of the Father and Jesus Christ. The Son of God was to die for us so that we could be brought before the throne of his Father.
Jesus did not pray nonchalantly to his Father, but with great love. And this is how we are to begin our prayer: “Our Father!”
John 17:1-3, The time had come for the Father to glorify his Son, to return to him the glory he had set aside to become a child born and a Son given. What was it Jesus was to be given? It is “Power over all flesh,”
Matthew 11:27, “All things are delivered unto me of my Father; neither knows any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.”
In Matthew 28:18, Jesus said, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” Jesus could now give eternal life to as many as the Father gave him.
When Jesus said, in verse 3, “And this is life eternal, that they (the Jews) might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”
When he spoke these words, “The only true God,” Jesus was contrasting his Father with,
1. Polytheism: The belief there is more than one God.
2. Philosophic naturalism is the idea that only natural laws and forces, as opposed to supernatural ones, operate in the universe.
3. Mystic pantheism, the doctrine that the universe conceived of as a whole is God and, conversely, that there is no God but the combined substance, forces, and laws that are manifested in the existing universe.
When Jesus said, “And Jesus Christ whom you have sent,” this is the only place where he gives himself this compound name, using the term “Jesus Christ” in the strictest of senses.
“Jesus,” because he saves his people from their sins; and “Christ” as anointed with the fulness of the Holy Ghost for the exercise of his saving offices, Matthew 1:16, “Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.”
“Who you have sent.” Sent in the abundance of Divine Authority and Power to save. With his words, the Lord positioned himself side by side with his Father, proving by implication his Divine nature. If Jesus were a mere creature, as many claim, eternal life with him would be impossible.
John 17:3
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Re: John 17:3
Post #21When Jesus said "I had", in Greek "echo" defined by Bible lexicon as to be in a particular state or condition, by Mounce lexicon means as to possess, to hold, to have.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue May 06, 2025 6:59 pmNo, the Father did not call Jesus "God." Jesus didn't have the same glory as the Father before the world existed. Jesus was with his God and Father before he was born on the earth.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:17 amYes, that is relational subordination. The Father is greater, higher in rank or position that Jesus but that does not demean their equality being in the nature of God.(Col 2:9)onewithhim wrote:Jesus himself made himself less than God. He said "The Father is greater than I am." (John 14:28) And that wasn't just when he was on Earth. When he went back to heaven the Father was still higher than he was.
The Father also called Jesus God. (Psa 45:6-7, Heb 1:8-9)onewithhim wrote: Jesus said: "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." (Revelation 3:12, KJV)
Yes, where would you believe Jesus was before being born?onewithhim wrote:The writer to the Hebrews said: "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever." (Hebrews 13:8, KJV)
Why Jesus had that same glory with the Father before the world existed?(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote:He didn't lose his Almighty Godship when coming to Earth because he didn't have equality with God to begin with. He was the same before he came here, and the same when he was here, and the same forever. No cessation of powers because he was on the earth. He demonstrated his entire arsenal of power here, getting his power and strength from his God.
And Jesus had said, "All the Father had are mine."
Don't you believe Jesus words?
You just always deny but no evidence presented.
John 17:5
5 "And now, glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.
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to be in a particular state or condition
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)
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Re: John 17:3
Post #22I stand by my comments in Post #18 and Post #20.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed May 07, 2025 4:03 amWhen Jesus said "I had", in Greek "echo" defined by Bible lexicon as to be in a particular state or condition, by Mounce lexicon means as to possess, to hold, to have.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue May 06, 2025 6:59 pmNo, the Father did not call Jesus "God." Jesus didn't have the same glory as the Father before the world existed. Jesus was with his God and Father before he was born on the earth.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:17 amYes, that is relational subordination. The Father is greater, higher in rank or position that Jesus but that does not demean their equality being in the nature of God.(Col 2:9)onewithhim wrote:Jesus himself made himself less than God. He said "The Father is greater than I am." (John 14:28) And that wasn't just when he was on Earth. When he went back to heaven the Father was still higher than he was.
The Father also called Jesus God. (Psa 45:6-7, Heb 1:8-9)onewithhim wrote: Jesus said: "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." (Revelation 3:12, KJV)
Yes, where would you believe Jesus was before being born?onewithhim wrote:The writer to the Hebrews said: "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever." (Hebrews 13:8, KJV)
Why Jesus had that same glory with the Father before the world existed?(John 17:5)onewithhim wrote:He didn't lose his Almighty Godship when coming to Earth because he didn't have equality with God to begin with. He was the same before he came here, and the same when he was here, and the same forever. No cessation of powers because he was on the earth. He demonstrated his entire arsenal of power here, getting his power and strength from his God.
And Jesus had said, "All the Father had are mine."
Don't you believe Jesus words?
You just always deny but no evidence presented.
John 17:5
5 "And now, glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.
NASB
NT:2192
to be in a particular state or condition
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)