What's wrong with being gay?

[Daedalus X]

This thread is a continuation of an off topic conversation from here.

First, I think that we all agree that it's important to promote understanding, respect, and equality for all individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. Everyone should be treated with dignity and allowed to express their identity without fear of discrimination or harm.


Question for debate is LGTBQIA2S+ a harmless social contagion, or are there serious unintended consequences awaiting the individuals and societies that are going down this road?

[A Freeman]

Links between homosexuality and paedophilia:

• 33% of homosexuals admit to minor/adult sex (having sex with children)
• NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) is an overt, in-your-face homosexual child molestation organization with THOUSANDS
of members
• 33% of all reported child molestations are committed by homosexuals, which make up roughly 1% of the total population. That means that
a homosexual is 50 times more likely to be a child molester than a heterosexual.
• 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under the age of 19.

Source: Homosexuality and Its Negative Effects on Society

[A Freeman]

[Replying to oldbadger in post #390]

oldbadger: Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

AF: No.
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oldbadger: I was thinking about this yesterday because many thousands of people where I live caught HIV from having blood transfusions.

AF: Something else we have been COMMANDED not to do, for good reason (e.g. Lev. 17:10-14). But the ego always believes it knows better than our Creator, hence the reason so many people today are so confused over what is right and what is wrong, with some even lacking the common-sense to know what they are supposed to be doing with the natural equipment they've been issued.

[oldbadger]

[Replying to oldbadger in post #390]

oldbadger: Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

AF: No.
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oldbadger: I was thinking about this yesterday because many thousands of people where I live caught HIV from having blood transfusions.

AF: Something else we have been COMMANDED not to do, for good reason (e.g. Lev. 17:10-14). But the ego always believes it knows better than our Creator, hence the reason so many people today are so confused over what is right and what is wrong, with some even lacking the common-sense to know what they are supposed to be doing with the natural equipment they've been issued.

Ah..... So you are very similar in beliefs a Jehovah's Witness?
I did wonder.
Most JWs around here have similar beliefs to you but they are much more restrained about how they condemn homosexuality. Of course they are not racists so I ask you about that as well?

[A Freeman]

[Replying to oldbadger in post #393]

oldbadger Ah..... So you are very similar in beliefs a Jehovah's Witness?

AF: Not really. JW is just another organized religion, that has some beliefs which are scriptural (e.g. the pledge of allegiance is idol worship, and X-mas and Ishtar/Easter are pagan holidays) mixed together with some that are not, like going from house-to-house (Luke 10:7) and attending their version of church (Matt. 6:5-8). The same story as with ALL organized religion.

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oldbadger I did wonder.
Most JWs around here have similar beliefs to you but they are much more restrained about how they condemn homosexuality. Of course they are not racists so I ask you about that as well?

AF: IF it is correctly understood that we are all spiritual-Beings (Souls) -- who are not indigenous to this planet, much less to some specific region or country -- and that we are only temporarily incarnated inside of the human animal body (vessel) we see in the mirror, then what difference would the skin colour, human ethnicity or nationality of that temporary vessel/vehicle make?

Are You The Car or The Driver

[Athetotheist]

Links between homosexuality and paedophilia:

• 33% of homosexuals admit to minor/adult sex (having sex with children)
• NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) is an overt, in-your-face homosexual child molestation organization with THOUSANDS
of members
• 33% of all reported child molestations are committed by homosexuals, which make up roughly 1% of the total population. That means that
a homosexual is 50 times more likely to be a child molester than a heterosexual.
• 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under the age of 19.

Source: Homosexuality and Its Negative Effects on Society

.....according to a source already identified as questionable.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-conservative-papers/

33% of all reported child molestations are committed by homosexuals, which make up roughly 1% of the total population. That means that
a homosexual is 50 times more likely to be a child molester than a heterosexual.

What a ridiculous way to skew a statistic. If 33% of all reported child molestations are committed by homosexuals, that means over 66% are not. That indicates that child molestations are over twice as likely to be committed by those who are not gay. The percentage of gay people in the total population has no connection to the incidence of child molestation.

73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under the age of 19.

Why was the age of 19 chosen for that statistic when 19 is above the age of consent? You're having sex with someone under 19 if you have sex with someone who's 18, and an 18-year-old can legally consent. How many of the 73% fall into that catagory? We're not being told.

The statistic above also says that 73% "have had" sex with someone under 19, but doesn't specify when. If both were 18 at the time, there would again be legal consent. How many of the 73% fall into that catagory? Again, we're not being told.

The point being that statistics should be fully and precisely defined before they're used against someone.

[FrankieRelax]

Links between homosexuality and paedophilia:

• 33% of homosexuals admit to minor/adult sex (having sex with children)

• 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under the age of 19.

Both these claims come from Paul Cameron. Paul Cameron was a professor of psychology at the University of Nebraska who was fired form his position and expelled from the American Psychological Association in 1985 for ethics violations. He was discovered to have created false research data in a study he conducted and published in ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985. Investigations found he had fabricated almost all of the survey response regarding homosexuality the 73% claim appeared in the publication. the 33% claim appeared several years later after he had founded the Family Research Institute.

[FrankieRelax]

The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75.

This is another gem from Paul Cameron

Dr. Cameron collected 6,516 obituaries from sixteen gay newspapers over a twelve month period, and compared them to obituaries from general circulation newspapers, which he used as his “straight” sample. He does not say how many obituaries he used for his “straight” sample, and he does not say how he is able to determine whether an obituary in a general circulation newspaper is of a heterosexual or homosexual.

First problem is that reading the obituaries in a newspaper is not a way to determine life expectancy for anyone. The reasons for this are simple Obituaries do not track all deaths that take place.

Problems specific to Cameron’s work are that obituaries of closeted homosexuals would not have appeared in the gay press and only a tiny fraction of the deaths of gay men would be reported in the gay press.

Cameron also noted that many of the gay newspapers reported more violent deaths than others, he therefor decided to increase his tally of gay men and women by including those whose deaths were mentioned in news stories or letters to the editor. How did he decide from say a report on a car accident that the deceased was gay? Only Cameron knows the answer to that.

Cameron's own noted indicate that while he may have collected 6,516 obituaries he discarded any obituary for a person over the age of 50

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to FrankieRelax in post #396]

Both these claims come from Paul Cameron. Paul Cameron was a professor of psychology at the University of Nebraska who was fired form his position and expelled from the American Psychological Association in 1985 for ethics violations. He was discovered to have created false research data in a study he conducted and published in ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985. Investigations found he had fabricated almost all of the survey response regarding homosexuality the 73% claim appeared in the publication. the 33% claim appeared several years later after he had founded the Family Research Institute.

Here's more on Cameron's research:

"A critical review of the Cameron group's sampling techniques, survey methodology, and interpretation of results reveals at least six serious errors in their study. The presence of even one of these flaws would be sufficient to cast serious doubts on the legitimacy of any study's results. In combination, they make the data virtually meaningless."
https://lgbpsychology.org/html/facts_ca ... urvey.html

[A Freeman]

And here is what our infallible Creator has to say on the subject of homosexuality
(shared with those capable of rational thought):

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [homosexuality] [is] ABOMINATION.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: They shall SURELY be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Romans 1:18-25
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all unGodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth as unrighteousness;
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest to them; for God hath showed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [Him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations (Gen. 6:5), and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the Truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever. Amen.
1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is AGAINST nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet (AIDS).
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a mind void of Judgement, to do those things which are not convenient;
1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
1:31 Without Understanding, Covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
1:32 Who knowing the Judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the ABOMINABLE, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #399]

For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made

A lot of the things that are made engage in same-sex activity.

"Same-sex sexual behaviour, that is, any attempted sexual activity between members of the same sex has been reported in over 1500 animal species, including all main groups from invertebrates such as insects, spiders, echinoderms, and nematodes, to vertebrates such as fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41290-x

(Male humans also develop nipples [a female characteristic] before that Y chromosome kicks in.)

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet (AIDS).

How is AIDS "meet recompence" for children who contract HIV from their mothers during pregnancy?

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers
(Deuteronomy 24:16)

(shared with those capable of rational thought):

Are these thoughts rational enough?