The Exodus! Did it Really Happen?

[POI]

The Bible claims an Exodus took place. Many state it was not an actual event. Since the Bible makes a positive claim, in that an 'Exodus" took place, do we have positive evidence to support the claim?

For Debate:

1. Outside the Bible saying so, do we have evidence? If so, what?

2. If it should turn out that the Exodus did not take place, does this fact sway the Christian believer's position at all? Or, does it not matter one way or another?

[POI]

[Replying to RBD in post #727]

Sure, the Christian apologist can always come up with (ad hoc / post hoc) excuses for why their beloved Bible has not actually failed them, when common sense instead dictates that their Bible book does fail them. This is what Christian apologetics is all about. This is why Christian apologetics is so necessary. It acts as a protective shield. This is also why folks, like Otseng & company, now argue that the Bible does not have to be flawless. They now recognize it is not, which means they pivot, or switch gears, and trek forth with a new set of rules and arguments. But in this case, he acts as the Lone Ranger, by shoehorning in the 'Hyksos.'

Matthew 4:8 clearly speaks from the perspective of an author who deemed the earth as flat. We all know this. Which is why you must scramble to perform damage-control, ala 'Christian apologetics.'

And Bible antagonists can always ignore anything that shows the Bible does not err.

I sure got a kick out of reading what you wrote, that the Bible author was referring to a mountain on the moon.

Just face it... The Bible made a huge oopsie... The author thought the world was flat.

[POI]

Yes, 3rd person autobiographies are that fast and simple.

It's way more than this, and you know it.

[Clownboat]

By your unbelief in the Book, you argue against what's written in the Book. By my objective reading of the Book, I only teach what the Book says...

Do you not see this as yet another example where you are dodging an argument you know you cant win

I don't dodge arguments from people arguing about a Book, that they don't believe nor care what the Book says. I only show they are arguing about a book, that they don't allow to speak for itself.

The dodging part is on people talking about a book, that they don't believe nor care what it says of itself, and also think they are making an argument from the book.

How can anyone be arguing about Plato's Republic, when they don't believe nor care what Plato says, but only what others say about his Republic, who also don't care to argue from what it says?

Anyway, the Bible says Moses wrote the book of Moses, as well as prophecying of the coming Messiah in two other books.

Your problem is that the Bible is not an authority. You pretend that it is, but that only informs us that you think the Bible is authoritative, not that it actually is.
Books are books. You seemingly picking one to worship as if it is an idol does not make it special.

Do you think we will ever find any evidence for millions of people wandering the Sinai as told in the Bible story?

[Clownboat]

Allow me to demonstrate:
RBD: The Bible is evidence that the exodus happened as told.
Clownboat: I hear you, now where do the claims for the exodus story come from?
RBD: I will not answer your on point and honest question because it will show the futility of my argument. Therefore, I will dodge this question in order to hold my illogical position that claims are evidence that the said claim is true.
Clownboat:

Your conversations with yourself are as unreal as your comprehension of what others say.

Jhn 1:5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

I literally prophesied your response!
RBD will say: "I will not answer your on point and honest question because it will show the futility of my argument. Therefore, I will dodge this question in order to hold my illogical position that claims are evidence that the said claim is true."

Thank you for showing my words to be true and that you have zero defense for your own.

Do you ever think we will find evidence for millions of people wandering the Sinai as told in the Bible?

[Clownboat]

Arguing against 3rd person autobiographies, is as meaningless as arguing against something with no evidence against it...

I would like to grant this (POI may not though) in hopes you can answer an honest and on point question:
Do you think we will ever find any evidence that millions of people wandered the Sinai for decades as told in the exodus story we find in the Bible?

Already answered this enough times with you.

Dishonest evolutionists argue human evolutionary theory, as though it were biological evolutionary fact. Human evolutionary theory spuriously rides the back of biological evolutionary science. Dittoes with the Big Bang theory falsely piggy-backing universal expansion science.

For the sake of debate, lets assume that people that accept evolution actually are dishonest.

All people who choose to believe in human evolutionary theory, are not dishonest.

Only the frauds, that teach it as though it were established scientific fact, like biologic evolution. Dittoes for the frauds teaching the Big Bang theory, as though it were scientific fact, like universal expansion.

When you learn to stick to what people say, rather than infer your own ideas into it, you'll learn to refer to what people say accurately, rather then infer your own bad spin on it...Of course, some things are less a matter of leaning, and more a matter of making bad spin.

Do you think we will ever find any evidence that millions of people wandered the Sinai for decades as told in the exodus story we find in the Bible?

[RBD]

I sure got a kick out of reading what you wrote, that the Bible author was referring to a mountain on the moon.

Just face it... The Bible made a huge oopsie... The author thought the world was flat.

I never said some efforts to interpret the Bible weren't out there. They're just not necessary to confirm the Author doesn't err from the truth.

In any case, unless you have something new on this topic, then I'll move on.

[POI]

In any case, unless you have something new on this topic, then I'll move on.

Move on from what exactly? From the beginning, this entire exchange has demonstrated that you have no rational basis for your position. Lacking evidence for a claim very much depends on the claim itself. This is why the owner of this arena is so desperate to try and tie another ancient tribe to the claims from the Bible. Aside from there being no evidence to support this massive claim, with just one passage from the Bible, you must also concede the Bible is in error for another reason.

In conclusion, the Bible signed a large check for which it certainly cannot cash. This is one of the reasons why faith is so heavily touted as both necessary and required, as being convinced cannot instead be done so based upon evidence.

Anywho, thanks anyways for your time.