Comparing O.T. verses with the New.

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To prove positively who Jesus Christ is, I will compare Old Testament verses with New Testament verses. They give evidence that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament and that He is the one spoken of by the prophets.

Jesus said to his disciples, in Luke 24:44-45, "All things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning ME. Then opened He their understanding."

I will substitute the word "Jehovah" for "LORD" because it is acknowledged by scholars worldwide to be the correct rendering wherever the latter is printed in all upper-case.

Let’s begin with Isaiah 43:3, "For I am Jehovah thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Savior." Compare with,
2 Peter 3:18, "Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." This epithet descriptive of Christ in the N.T. is borrowed from the O.T. Peter states that Jesus is our Savior, and Isaiah states that Jehovah is the Savior.

Zechariah 12:10, "I (Jehovah) will pour upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn." Compare with John 19:34, "The soldiers with a spear pierced His (Christ's) side."
John 19:38, "And again another Scripture saith, they shall look on Him (Christ) whom they have pierced." with
Revelation 1:7, "He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also (the Jews) which pierced Him."

Zechariah states that it is Jehovah who is pierced, and we know it was Jesus who had been pierced by the Roman soldier.
Isaiah 43:11, "I, even I, am Jehovah: and besides me there is no Savior." Compare with,
Acts 4:12, "For there is none other name (Jesus) under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved."
Isaiah said there is no other Savior but Jehovah. Acts states that Jesus is our Savior.

Psalms 16:8, "I have set Jehovah always before me; because He is always at my right hand, I shall not be moved." Compare with,
Acts 2:25. "For David speaks concerning Him (Jesus), I foresaw the LORD always before my face; He is on my right hand, that I should not be moved."
Peter applies his quotation from David directly to Christ as the one spoken of. David speaks of Jehovah; Peter applies it to Christ.

Isaiah 40:3, "The voice of him (John the Baptist) that cries in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of Jehovah, make straight in the desert a highway for our God." Compare with,
Matthew 3:3, “For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, the voice of one (John) crying in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of the Lord (Jesus,)" make His paths straight."
Isaiah said the person crying in the wilderness was preparing the way for Jehovah. Matthew is saying that John the Baptist was the voice in the wilderness who was preparing the way for Jesus.

Isaiah 6:9-10, "Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not, make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and convert and be healed." Compare with,
John 12:40 describes the works of Jesus and says the people believed not. Verse 40, quoting Isaiah, and what Isaiah saw, was the glory of Christ, and spoke of Christ when he said, Isaiah 6:5, "Mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts."
The conclusions are unavoidable. Jesus is the King, Jehovah of Hosts.

Exodus 17:2, "Moses said unto them, wherefore do ye tempt Jehovah. Compare with,
Psalms 28:56, "They tempted and provoked the Most High God."
1 Corinthians 10:9, "Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”
The same historical facts are being alluded to here. Both Moses and David said the Israelites tempted Jehovah. Paul stated that it was Christ they had tempted.

[1213]

To prove positively who Jesus Christ is, I will compare Old Testament verses with New Testament verses. They give evidence that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament ...

Why are you doing this, when Jesus says there is only one true God who is greater than Him and that without Father he could do nothing?

Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus therefore answered them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does like-wise.
John 5:19
For I spoke not from myself, but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. I know that his commandment is eternal life. The things therefore which I speak, even as the Father has said to me, so I speak.
John 12:49-50

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To prove positively who Jesus Christ is, I will compare Old Testament verses with New Testament verses. They give evidence that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament ...

Why are you doing this, when Jesus says there is only one true God who is greater than Him and that without Father he could do nothing?

Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus therefore answered them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does like-wise.
John 5:19
For I spoke not from myself, but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. I know that his commandment is eternal life. The things therefore which I speak, even as the Father has said to me, so I speak.
John 12:49-50

1213, Thanks for your response. Every verse you quoted falls within the time frame when the Lord Jesus made Himself lower than the angels and became a man. Of course, he said all these things you quoted in John because he stepped down from heaven, left behind all his glory, his authority, and power to become a man so that he could communicate with us.

Philippians 2:7, "Jesus "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion (appearance) as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

What Jesus did for us was of his own free will. He emptied himself; he left behind his glory, and he took on the form of a servant. In doing this, he made himself lower than the angels and became a man. As the Son of God, in all his glory, he could not have shed his precious blood, and without the shedding of blood, there would have been no remission of sin for mankind, no salvation. the O.T. predicted the coming of a Savior, and the N.T. told us who that Savior was, Jesus Christ.

Because of his GREAT sacrifice, Verse 10, "At the name of Jesus every knee should bow," Every man, women and child will acknowledge Jesus Christ as the author of our salvation. And every tongue (will) confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." We will bow now before him, or those who do not will when they come before the Judgment seat of Christ.

My advice: do it now!

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Psalms 68:17-18, "The chariots of God are --- even thousands of angels. Jehovah is among them as in Sinai, in the holy place. Thou (Jehovah) hast ascended on high, thou hast let captivity captive; thou hast received GIFTS for men." Compare with,
Ephesians 4:7-8, "Unto every one of us is grace given according to the measure of the GIFTS of Christ. Wherefore he saith, when He (Christ) ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave GIFTS unto men."
The Psalmist addresses Jehovah as the one who ascended on high, leading captivity captive, and received gifts for men. Paul applies these words to Jesus as the one whom David spoke.

Isaiah 8:13-14, "Sanctify Jehovah of Hosts Himself, and let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread. And He shall for a sanctuary: but for a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, to both houses of Israel." Compare with,
1 Peter 2:7-8, "Unto you therefore which believe He (Jesus) is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builder disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient."
According to Isaiah, Jehovah is a stone of stumbling, etc. According to Peter, Christ is that stone of stumbling and the rock of offense.

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To prove positively who Jesus Christ is, I will compare Old Testament verses with New Testament verses. They give evidence that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament ...

Why are you doing this, when Jesus says there is only one true God who is greater than Him and that without Father he could do nothing?

Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus therefore answered them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does like-wise.
John 5:19
For I spoke not from myself, but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. I know that his commandment is eternal life. The things therefore which I speak, even as the Father has said to me, so I speak.
John 12:49-50

1213, Thanks for your response. Every verse you quoted falls within the time frame when the Lord Jesus made Himself lower than the angels and became a man. Of course, he said all these things you quoted in John because he stepped down from heaven, left behind all his glory, his authority, and power to become a man so that he could communicate with us.

Philippians 2:7, "Jesus "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion (appearance) as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

What Jesus did for us was of his own free will. He emptied himself; he left behind his glory, and he took on the form of a servant. In doing this, he made himself lower than the angels and became a man. As the Son of God, in all his glory, he could not have shed his precious blood, and without the shedding of blood, there would have been no remission of sin for mankind, no salvation. the O.T. predicted the coming of a Savior, and the N.T. told us who that Savior was, Jesus Christ.

Because of his GREAT sacrifice, Verse 10, "At the name of Jesus every knee should bow," Every man, women and child will acknowledge Jesus Christ as the author of our salvation. And every tongue (will) confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." We will bow now before him, or those who do not will when they come before the Judgment seat of Christ.

My advice: do it now!

Everything you posted aligns with what 1213 posted. Jesus became obedient. To whom? If he was God he wouldn't have to be obedient to anyone else. He said he could do nothing of his own volition, and this would include anything he did before he came to the earth, and everything AFTER he was on the earth. He had obeyed the Father, God, who gave him more of a place than he had previously because he obeyed even to the point of death. (Phil. 2:9) It was after he returned to heaven that Paul said: "The head of the Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3) Jesus was the same previously, on any given day, and from henceforth. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and to day, and forever." (Hebrews 13:8, KJV) He didn't give up any power or authority while on the earth, and yet he relied on the Father, God, for everything, though he was God's Son.

Everyone I know has bended their knees to Jesus as King of God's Kingdom. We know him as our Savior and the obedient one to God throughout his life on earth (and before and after).

[1213]

....and without the shedding of blood, there would have been no remission of sin for mankind, no salvation....

Bible clearly shows forgiveness was possible without Jesus dying:

The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?" But Jesus, perceiving their thoughts, answered them, "Why are you reasoning so in your hearts? Which is easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you;' or to say, 'Arise and walk?' But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (he said to the paralyzed man), "I tell you, arise, and take up your cot, and go to your house." Immediately he rose up before them, and took up that which he was laying on, and departed to his house, glorifying God.
Luke 5:21-25

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....and without the shedding of blood, there would have been no remission of sin for mankind, no salvation....

Bible clearly shows forgiveness was possible without Jesus dying:

The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?" But Jesus, perceiving their thoughts, answered them, "Why are you reasoning so in your hearts? Which is easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you;' or to say, 'Arise and walk?' But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (he said to the paralyzed man), "I tell you, arise, and take up your cot, and go to your house." Immediately he rose up before them, and took up that which he was laying on, and departed to his house, glorifying God.
Luke 5:21-25

It also proves that Jesus is Jehovah. Yes, God could forgive sin, and he did, but before Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, no man could be saved from eternal damnation, neither could any man be raised from the dead to eternal life. Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection were necessary to fulfill,

1 Thessalonians 4:16, "And the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord (Jesus) in the air:"

Concerning the prostitute and the men who brought her to him, Jesus was able to read their thoughts; secondly, because he could forgive sins, he forgave the woman of her sin. He said to her, "Go, and sin no more." Whatever he wrote with his finger on the ground, he knew the sins of every man that had condemned the woman of her sin of adultery. That's why they left him, choosing not to be found out. And because they did not understand who Jesus was, their sins remained with them.

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To prove positively who Jesus Christ is, I will compare Old Testament verses with New Testament verses. They give evidence that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament ...

Why are you doing this, when Jesus says there is only one true God who is greater than Him and that without Father he could do nothing?

Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus therefore answered them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does like-wise.
John 5:19
For I spoke not from myself, but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. I know that his commandment is eternal life. The things therefore which I speak, even as the Father has said to me, so I speak.
John 12:49-50

1213, Thanks for your response. Every verse you quoted falls within the time frame when the Lord Jesus made Himself lower than the angels and became a man. Of course, he said all these things you quoted in John because he stepped down from heaven, left behind all his glory, his authority, and power to become a man so that he could communicate with us.

Philippians 2:7, "Jesus "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion (appearance) as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

What Jesus did for us was of his own free will. He emptied himself; he left behind his glory, and he took on the form of a servant. In doing this, he made himself lower than the angels and became a man. As the Son of God, in all his glory, he could not have shed his precious blood, and without the shedding of blood, there would have been no remission of sin for mankind, no salvation. the O.T. predicted the coming of a Savior, and the N.T. told us who that Savior was, Jesus Christ.

Because of his GREAT sacrifice, Verse 10, "At the name of Jesus every knee should bow," Every man, women and child will acknowledge Jesus Christ as the author of our salvation. And every tongue (will) confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." We will bow now before him, or those who do not will when they come before the Judgment seat of Christ.

My advice: do it now!

Everything you posted aligns with what 1213 posted. Jesus became obedient. To whom? If he was God he wouldn't have to be obedient to anyone else. He said he could do nothing of his own volition, and this would include anything he did before he came to the earth, and everything AFTER he was on the earth. He had obeyed the Father, God, who gave him more of a place than he had previously because he obeyed even to the point of death. (Phil. 2:9) It was after he returned to heaven that Paul said: "The head of the Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3) Jesus was the same previously, on any given day, and from henceforth. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and to day, and forever." (Hebrews 13:8, KJV) He didn't give up any power or authority while on the earth, and yet he relied on the Father, God, for everything, though he was God's Son.

Everyone I know has bended their knees to Jesus as King of God's Kingdom. We know him as our Savior and the obedient one to God throughout his life on earth (and before and after).

When the Scriptures were written, to bow down to anyone was to worship that person. You can change its meaning today, but back 2000 years ago, it meant to worship. One more thing. Because the Father calls his Son God, Jesus is God. To deny the Father's words concerning his beloved Son is blasphemy.

Read the following very carefully: The Father said of his Son, "Your throne, O God is for ever and ever." This is quoted directly from Psalms 45:6-7, "Thy throne, O God (Elohim) is for ever and ever:" The Father declares his Son as Elohim. Now, if you want to deny the Father's authority to declare his Son to be God manifest in the flesh, that's on you and those who teach against this truth. This one verse alone should convince you, but obviously, it doesn't.

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Jeremiah 23:24, "Do not I fill heaven and earth, saith Jehovah." Compare with,
Ephesians 1:23, "The fulness of Him (Jesus) that fills all in all." He who fills heaven and earth is He who fills all in all.

Psalms 89:9, "Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them." Compare with,
Mark 4:39-40, "He arose, and rebuked the wind, and the said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And thee was a great calm. --- and said one to another, what manner of man is this, that even the winds and sea obey him?"

Proverbs 16:4, "Jehovah made all things for Himself." Compare with,
Colossians 1:16, "All things were created by Him (Jesus,) and for Him."

[onewithhim]

To prove positively who Jesus Christ is, I will compare Old Testament verses with New Testament verses. They give evidence that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament ...

Why are you doing this, when Jesus says there is only one true God who is greater than Him and that without Father he could do nothing?

Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus therefore answered them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does like-wise.
John 5:19
For I spoke not from myself, but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. I know that his commandment is eternal life. The things therefore which I speak, even as the Father has said to me, so I speak.
John 12:49-50

1213, Thanks for your response. Every verse you quoted falls within the time frame when the Lord Jesus made Himself lower than the angels and became a man. Of course, he said all these things you quoted in John because he stepped down from heaven, left behind all his glory, his authority, and power to become a man so that he could communicate with us.

Philippians 2:7, "Jesus "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion (appearance) as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

What Jesus did for us was of his own free will. He emptied himself; he left behind his glory, and he took on the form of a servant. In doing this, he made himself lower than the angels and became a man. As the Son of God, in all his glory, he could not have shed his precious blood, and without the shedding of blood, there would have been no remission of sin for mankind, no salvation. the O.T. predicted the coming of a Savior, and the N.T. told us who that Savior was, Jesus Christ.

Because of his GREAT sacrifice, Verse 10, "At the name of Jesus every knee should bow," Every man, women and child will acknowledge Jesus Christ as the author of our salvation. And every tongue (will) confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." We will bow now before him, or those who do not will when they come before the Judgment seat of Christ.

My advice: do it now!

Everything you posted aligns with what 1213 posted. Jesus became obedient. To whom? If he was God he wouldn't have to be obedient to anyone else. He said he could do nothing of his own volition, and this would include anything he did before he came to the earth, and everything AFTER he was on the earth. He had obeyed the Father, God, who gave him more of a place than he had previously because he obeyed even to the point of death. (Phil. 2:9) It was after he returned to heaven that Paul said: "The head of the Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3) Jesus was the same previously, on any given day, and from henceforth. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and to day, and forever." (Hebrews 13:8, KJV) He didn't give up any power or authority while on the earth, and yet he relied on the Father, God, for everything, though he was God's Son.

Everyone I know has bended their knees to Jesus as King of God's Kingdom. We know him as our Savior and the obedient one to God throughout his life on earth (and before and after).

When the Scriptures were written, to bow down to anyone was to worship that person. You can change its meaning today, but back 2000 years ago, it meant to worship. One more thing. Because the Father calls his Son God, Jesus is God. To deny the Father's words concerning his beloved Son is blasphemy.

Read the following very carefully: The Father said of his Son, "Your throne, O God is for ever and ever." This is quoted directly from Psalms 45:6-7, "Thy throne, O God (Elohim) is for ever and ever:" The Father declares his Son as Elohim. Now, if you want to deny the Father's authority to declare his Son to be God manifest in the flesh, that's on you and those who teach against this truth. This one verse alone should convince you, but obviously, it doesn't.

There are accounts where a person bowed down to an army officer of high rank or a governor or a king. This was just to show respect. The man wasn't necessarily worshipping those high ranking people as God Almighty.
Hebrews 1:8 does not say, in the original verses in Psalm 45 (that the writer of Hebrews undoubtedly carefully copied) "Your throne O God." Nope. The verse in the Tanakh says something else. It says: "Your divine throne is everlasting." Then in the next verse it shows that the Messiah has a God. It says, "...Rightly has God, your God, chosen to anoint you with the oil of gladness over all your peers." Nowhere in there does the Father refer to His Son as "God." Your twisting of those verses doesn't convince me or any thinking person that the Father called His Son "God." Did you read this carefully?