"Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."

[Athetotheist]

What are we to make of this?




Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)

"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me."
(John 14:24)

[marke]

Marke: Beware of the influencers who tell you the world will soon end tragically if we do not decommission human progress and prosperity to fund worldwide efforts to change the gasseous makeup of the atmosphere.

I would be more worried about anyone that doesn't think we need to manage our world... because Jesus will be returning.

Marke: Humans cannot control, change, alter, or otherwise manage the weather or climate and only massive egos can cause some to think they can.

You failed to address my worry about people that don't think we need to manage our world... because of Jesus.
You failed to address our history, where we educate future generations and let the existing that fail to accept new information, die off.

Marke: We should try to keep our environment clean but just because some people think we need to spend trillions of dollars to try to stop what they see as threatening changes in the climate does not mean everyone should accept or adopt those similar views and fears.

I did read your unevidenced claims and see nothing worthy of a response, because they are simply claims and you are not an authority to be taken seriously. If you feel anything you said does deserve a response, please let me know.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #247]

The waste products of human living are recycled in the environment God designed to cleanse the earth of wastes. Rivers flow into the ocean, carrying wastes like human blood streams delivering wastes to appropriate organs that remove those wastes from the body.

Like the body, the biosphere is a unit. Keep pumping higher levels of poisons into the body and it will eventually die. Same with an ecosystem.

Humans will produce wastes and attempting to stop human productions may cut down on waste but it also cuts down on production and living standards, as we are seeing in the burdens placed on poor people struggling to fill their cars with gas and heat their homes with oil that the left does not want them to have or use.

Filling cars and heating homes aren't the only things poor people struggle with.

The links below describe specific ways climate change affects our health.

Air Pollution
Allergens and Pollen
Food Security
Food and Waterborne Diarrheal Disease
Mental Health and Stress-Related Disorders
Pollen and Your Health
Precipitation Extremes
Temperature Extremes
Vectors
Wildfires
https://www.cdc.gov/climate-health/php/ ... index.html

We have to strike a balance across our range of needs.

The Bible says a crib without an ox may be clean but it does not add to the needs of farm owners.

Message from the future:

"....which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of NOAA, while the ark was a preparing...."

[Clownboat]

Marke: We should try to keep our environment clean but just because some people think we need to spend trillions of dollars to try to stop what they see as threatening changes in the climate does not mean everyone should accept or adopt those similar views and fears.

No one here has argued that we need to spend trillions on climate change. This is a valid position one could take, but it is not being put forth here by anyone, BUT YOU.

What I have argued for is that you reject established science for religious reason and to maintain a feeling of authority (be presuming to know better than the experts).
For the sake of debate I even granted that the global warming movement was corrupt. With that being agreed to, I proceeded to inform you that it doesn't make what carbon dioxide in our atmosphere, go away. They are all evil little demons if it helps you, but carbon dioxide still does what it does.

Which is why I then said:
"When your toilet is plugged, if you continue to flush it (add water to the bowl), water will overflow... even if the plumber that told you about this is corrupt and dishonest. You seem to want to ignore what we do know (about adding water to a blocked bowl/adding gases to our atmosphere) because you find the source to be x,y and/or z. Your thinking is illogical and fails to address that which we do know to be true.

It seems to me that you admit that your thinking is illogical and admit that it fails to address that which we do know to be true about carbon dioxide, but continue to hold your illogical reasoning anyway. Would you continue to flush your blocked toilet? If the plumber that told you not to was a racist that cheated on his wife, would that be sufficient reason to continue to flush your blocked toilet? Flushing a blocked toilet, does what it does no matter who is informing you about it.

[oldbadger]

How old is the earth? The Biblical record seems to indicate a period of less than 10,000 years. Secularists have devised dating schemes that produce ages in the billions of years, but those measurements are dependent on unverifiable assumptions like those about the original percentages of father-daughter elements in original rocks.

But I'm interested to know what you think. Some of your earlier posts suggest that you believe the earth is much much older than that.

So what do you believe?

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #247]

The waste products of human living are recycled in the environment God designed to cleanse the earth of wastes. Rivers flow into the ocean, carrying wastes like human blood streams delivering wastes to appropriate organs that remove those wastes from the body.

Like the body, the biosphere is a unit. Keep pumping higher levels of poisons into the body and it will eventually die. Same with an ecosystem.

Humans will produce wastes and attempting to stop human productions may cut down on waste but it also cuts down on production and living standards, as we are seeing in the burdens placed on poor people struggling to fill their cars with gas and heat their homes with oil that the left does not want them to have or use.

Filling cars and heating homes aren't the only things poor people struggle with.

Marke: Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant no matter how some people have developed their reasons for thinking it is.

[marke]

Marke: We should try to keep our environment clean but just because some people think we need to spend trillions of dollars to try to stop what they see as threatening changes in the climate does not mean everyone should accept or adopt those similar views and fears.

No one here has argued that we need to spend trillions on climate change. This is a valid position one could take, but it is not being put forth here by anyone, BUT YOU.

Marke: Global warming narratives are being pushed more to change societal norms than to change the weather.

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[marke]

How old is the earth? The Biblical record seems to indicate a period of less than 10,000 years. Secularists have devised dating schemes that produce ages in the billions of years, but those measurements are dependent on unverifiable assumptions like those about the original percentages of father-daughter elements in original rocks.

But I'm interested to know what you think. Some of your earlier posts suggest that you believe the earth is much much older than that.

So what do you believe?

Marke: I agree with what Lord Bacon once calculated that the sun cannot possibly be more than 30 million years old.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #255]

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant no matter how some people have developed their reasons for thinking it is.

Water isn't a pollutant either, but you can drown in too much of it.

[Athetotheist]

Rivers flow into the ocean, carrying wastes like human blood streams delivering wastes to appropriate organs that remove those wastes from the body.

Once wastes reach the ocean, where do they go from there? The water cycle evaporates moisture from the ocean and precipitation brings it back to the land, from which it carries more waste back to the ocean. When the ocean's moisture comes back to us, the waste in the system comes back with it (remember Acid Rain?). Ocean life is poisoned by the waste and then the oceans are fished for food.

Thus, the wastes have no way out of the system. And the more waste is put into the system, the worse it gets.

[marke]

Rivers flow into the ocean, carrying wastes like human blood streams delivering wastes to appropriate organs that remove those wastes from the body.

Once wastes reach the ocean, where do they go from there? The water cycle evaporates moisture from the ocean and precipitation brings it back to the land, from which it carries more waste back to the ocean. When the ocean's moisture comes back to us, the waste in the system comes back with it (remember Acid Rain?). Ocean life is poisoned by the waste and then the oceans are fished for food.

Thus, the wastes have no way out of the system. And the more waste is put into the system, the worse it gets.

Marke: The water vapor that forms rain in the clouds is designed by God to be free from contaminants washed into the sea by rivers. Rain clouds can pick uo chemicals or particles in the atmosphere but I hardly see how humans can filter those particles out even if they think those particles are harmful. Trillions of dollars in cap and trade burdens on industries translates into trillions of dollars in increased prices for the goods being taxed by cap and trade taxes, but cannot reduce or eliminate the supposed harmful chemicals from the atmosphere.