1 Peter 1:1, “Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ,”
How many offices does Peter hold?
Isaiah 45:21, "A just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.”
Is the reference to one or two people?
Titus 2:13, “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ: who gave himself to us”
How many individuals was Paul referring to when he said, “the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ:”
Jehovah’s Witnesses claim it’s both the Father and Son who are going to appear, or is Jesus being referred to as both God and Savior as in Isaiah 45:21?
John 20:27-28, Jesus said to Thomas, “Reach hither your finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.”
How many people was Thomas referring to when he said, “My Lord and my God?” The Witnesses calm Thomas is referring to both the Father and Jesus, is that true?
Acts 2:9, “Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites,”
How many nations are mentioned?
Matthew 28:19, “Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost.”
How many individuals are mentioned, two or three? Witnesses claim it’s two, not three.
Is it one, or is it tw?
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Re: Is it one, or is it tw?
Post #61"The Son of God has come that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ." Jesus gives us knowledge of the true one, God. The true one is God, the Father. Eternal life comes because of the Father's will that Jesus offer up himself for our sins.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 amOk, we'll start from here, Jesus said I am the life (eternal life in John 20:31), you say you believe it. Careful with this we might be guilty in 2 John 1:9.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:51 pmI believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So what kind of a question is that, "you deny those Jesus teachings"??Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:30 amOwn conclusion? man's own interpretation to Bible text?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:25 amI have studied it myself and reached my own conclusion. It is obvious that the "he" in the verse is the Father, and he is the true God. I have given you an honest answer.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:06 amThe question is, "who has the eternal life in these two verses? 1 John 5:11 and 1 John 5:20? Hoping for an honest answer.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:57 amOf course not. The Father is making known to us that His Son would "give us understanding, to know Him that is true." Him that is true is the Father.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:04 amThe Father just said in verse 11, that the eternal life is in His Son Jesus, then follows verse 20, same book and chapter.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:19 pmThe Father, the "his" of the verse. (Who else does "his" refer to?)
Do you consider through your answer that the Father is lying?
Determining if confined to the church belief or have an independent study.
So numerous verses that says Jesus is the life (eternal life) you even quote John 20:31. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life.
Now you deny those Jesus teachings?
The Father confirmed that the eternal life is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Honest answer would confirm that the Father was not lying.
Question: Who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?
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Post #62So, do that means that Jesus has the eternal life as the Father said it in John 5:11?onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:52 pm"The Son of God has come that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ." Jesus gives us knowledge of the true one, God. The true one is God, the Father. Eternal life comes because of the Father's will that Jesus offer up himself for our sins.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 amOk, we'll start from here, Jesus said I am the life (eternal life in John 20:31), you say you believe it. Careful with this we might be guilty in 2 John 1:9.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:51 pmI believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So what kind of a question is that, "you deny those Jesus teachings"??Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:30 amOwn conclusion? man's own interpretation to Bible text?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:25 amI have studied it myself and reached my own conclusion. It is obvious that the "he" in the verse is the Father, and he is the true God. I have given you an honest answer.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:06 amThe question is, "who has the eternal life in these two verses? 1 John 5:11 and 1 John 5:20? Hoping for an honest answer.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:57 amOf course not. The Father is making known to us that His Son would "give us understanding, to know Him that is true." Him that is true is the Father.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:04 amThe Father just said in verse 11, that the eternal life is in His Son Jesus, then follows verse 20, same book and chapter.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:19 pmThe Father, the "his" of the verse. (Who else does "his" refer to?)
Do you consider through your answer that the Father is lying?
Determining if confined to the church belief or have an independent study.
So numerous verses that says Jesus is the life (eternal life) you even quote John 20:31. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life.
Now you deny those Jesus teachings?
The Father confirmed that the eternal life is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Honest answer would confirm that the Father was not lying.
Question: Who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?
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Post #63Jesus is responsible for our gaining eternal life, regarding the plans of Jehovah, Jesus' Father, who told Jesus what to do.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:31 amSo, do that means that Jesus has the eternal life as the Father said it in John 5:11?onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:52 pm"The Son of God has come that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ." Jesus gives us knowledge of the true one, God. The true one is God, the Father. Eternal life comes because of the Father's will that Jesus offer up himself for our sins.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 amOk, we'll start from here, Jesus said I am the life (eternal life in John 20:31), you say you believe it. Careful with this we might be guilty in 2 John 1:9.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:51 pmI believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So what kind of a question is that, "you deny those Jesus teachings"??Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:30 amOwn conclusion? man's own interpretation to Bible text?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:25 amI have studied it myself and reached my own conclusion. It is obvious that the "he" in the verse is the Father, and he is the true God. I have given you an honest answer.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:06 amThe question is, "who has the eternal life in these two verses? 1 John 5:11 and 1 John 5:20? Hoping for an honest answer.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:57 amOf course not. The Father is making known to us that His Son would "give us understanding, to know Him that is true." Him that is true is the Father.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:04 amThe Father just said in verse 11, that the eternal life is in His Son Jesus, then follows verse 20, same book and chapter.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:19 pm
The Father, the "his" of the verse. (Who else does "his" refer to?)
Do you consider through your answer that the Father is lying?
Determining if confined to the church belief or have an independent study.
So numerous verses that says Jesus is the life (eternal life) you even quote John 20:31. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life.
Now you deny those Jesus teachings?
The Father confirmed that the eternal life is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Honest answer would confirm that the Father was not lying.
Question: Who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?
John 5:19
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Post #64Marke: John 5:11.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:31 amSo, do that means that Jesus has the eternal life as the Father said it in John 5:11?onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:52 pm"The Son of God has come that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ." Jesus gives us knowledge of the true one, God. The true one is God, the Father. Eternal life comes because of the Father's will that Jesus offer up himself for our sins.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 amOk, we'll start from here, Jesus said I am the life (eternal life in John 20:31), you say you believe it. Careful with this we might be guilty in 2 John 1:9.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:51 pmI believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So what kind of a question is that, "you deny those Jesus teachings"??Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:30 amOwn conclusion? man's own interpretation to Bible text?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:25 amI have studied it myself and reached my own conclusion. It is obvious that the "he" in the verse is the Father, and he is the true God. I have given you an honest answer.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:06 amThe question is, "who has the eternal life in these two verses? 1 John 5:11 and 1 John 5:20? Hoping for an honest answer.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:57 amOf course not. The Father is making known to us that His Son would "give us understanding, to know Him that is true." Him that is true is the Father.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:04 amThe Father just said in verse 11, that the eternal life is in His Son Jesus, then follows verse 20, same book and chapter.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:19 pm
The Father, the "his" of the verse. (Who else does "his" refer to?)
Do you consider through your answer that the Father is lying?
Determining if confined to the church belief or have an independent study.
So numerous verses that says Jesus is the life (eternal life) you even quote John 20:31. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life.
Now you deny those Jesus teachings?
The Father confirmed that the eternal life is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Honest answer would confirm that the Father was not lying.
Question: Who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?
11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
Jesus had the power to heal the sick, raise the dead, and forgive sins, because He was One with the Father.
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Post #65Sorry, I misquote, it is 1 John 5:11.marke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:03 pmMarke: John 5:11.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:31 amSo, do that means that Jesus has the eternal life as the Father said it in John 5:11?onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:52 pm"The Son of God has come that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ." Jesus gives us knowledge of the true one, God. The true one is God, the Father. Eternal life comes because of the Father's will that Jesus offer up himself for our sins.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 amOk, we'll start from here, Jesus said I am the life (eternal life in John 20:31), you say you believe it. Careful with this we might be guilty in 2 John 1:9.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:51 pmI believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So what kind of a question is that, "you deny those Jesus teachings"??Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:30 amOwn conclusion? man's own interpretation to Bible text?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:25 amI have studied it myself and reached my own conclusion. It is obvious that the "he" in the verse is the Father, and he is the true God. I have given you an honest answer.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:06 amThe question is, "who has the eternal life in these two verses? 1 John 5:11 and 1 John 5:20? Hoping for an honest answer.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:57 amOf course not. The Father is making known to us that His Son would "give us understanding, to know Him that is true." Him that is true is the Father.
Determining if confined to the church belief or have an independent study.
So numerous verses that says Jesus is the life (eternal life) you even quote John 20:31. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life.
Now you deny those Jesus teachings?
The Father confirmed that the eternal life is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Honest answer would confirm that the Father was not lying.
Question: Who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?
11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
Jesus had the power to heal the sick, raise the dead, and forgive sins, because He was One with the Father.
A question to our previous exchanges. So, do that means that Jesus has the eternal life as the Father said it in 1John 5:11?
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Post #66Marke:Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:23 amSorry, I misquote, it is 1 John 5:11.marke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:03 pmMarke: John 5:11.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:31 amSo, do that means that Jesus has the eternal life as the Father said it in John 5:11?onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:52 pm"The Son of God has come that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ." Jesus gives us knowledge of the true one, God. The true one is God, the Father. Eternal life comes because of the Father's will that Jesus offer up himself for our sins.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 amOk, we'll start from here, Jesus said I am the life (eternal life in John 20:31), you say you believe it. Careful with this we might be guilty in 2 John 1:9.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:51 pmI believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So what kind of a question is that, "you deny those Jesus teachings"??Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:30 amOwn conclusion? man's own interpretation to Bible text?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:25 amI have studied it myself and reached my own conclusion. It is obvious that the "he" in the verse is the Father, and he is the true God. I have given you an honest answer.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:06 amThe question is, "who has the eternal life in these two verses? 1 John 5:11 and 1 John 5:20? Hoping for an honest answer.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:57 am
Of course not. The Father is making known to us that His Son would "give us understanding, to know Him that is true." Him that is true is the Father.
Determining if confined to the church belief or have an independent study.
So numerous verses that says Jesus is the life (eternal life) you even quote John 20:31. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life.
Now you deny those Jesus teachings?
The Father confirmed that the eternal life is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Honest answer would confirm that the Father was not lying.
Question: Who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?
11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
Jesus had the power to heal the sick, raise the dead, and forgive sins, because He was One with the Father.
A question to our previous exchanges. So, do that means that Jesus has the eternal life as the Father said it in 1John 5:11?
1 John 5:10-12
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10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Jesus is the Lord God.
Deuteronomy 30:20
That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
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Re: Is it one, or is it tw?
Post #67At least, here we are in agreement, I colored blue above. Jesus is God.marke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 4:08 amMarke:Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:23 amSorry, I misquote, it is 1 John 5:11.marke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:03 pmMarke: John 5:11.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:31 amSo, do that means that Jesus has the eternal life as the Father said it in John 5:11?onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:52 pm"The Son of God has come that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ." Jesus gives us knowledge of the true one, God. The true one is God, the Father. Eternal life comes because of the Father's will that Jesus offer up himself for our sins.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 amOk, we'll start from here, Jesus said I am the life (eternal life in John 20:31), you say you believe it. Careful with this we might be guilty in 2 John 1:9.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:51 pmI believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So what kind of a question is that, "you deny those Jesus teachings"??Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:30 amOwn conclusion? man's own interpretation to Bible text?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:25 amI have studied it myself and reached my own conclusion. It is obvious that the "he" in the verse is the Father, and he is the true God. I have given you an honest answer.
So numerous verses that says Jesus is the life (eternal life) you even quote John 20:31. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life.
Now you deny those Jesus teachings?
The Father confirmed that the eternal life is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Honest answer would confirm that the Father was not lying.
Question: Who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?
11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
Jesus had the power to heal the sick, raise the dead, and forgive sins, because He was One with the Father.
A question to our previous exchanges. So, do that means that Jesus has the eternal life as the Father said it in 1John 5:11?
1 John 5:10-12
King James Version
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Jesus is the Lord God.
Deuteronomy 30:20
That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
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Post #68And what is your point? Jesus and the Father are "one" in that they are in agreement. They are also "one" with the disciples of Jesus, as we can see at John 17:20-23. Clearly they aren't all the same person. They are all of "one mind."marke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:03 pmMarke: John 5:11.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:31 amSo, do that means that Jesus has the eternal life as the Father said it in John 5:11?onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:52 pm"The Son of God has come that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ." Jesus gives us knowledge of the true one, God. The true one is God, the Father. Eternal life comes because of the Father's will that Jesus offer up himself for our sins.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 amOk, we'll start from here, Jesus said I am the life (eternal life in John 20:31), you say you believe it. Careful with this we might be guilty in 2 John 1:9.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:51 pm
I believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So what kind of a question is that, "you deny those Jesus teachings"??
The Father confirmed that the eternal life is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Honest answer would confirm that the Father was not lying.
Question: Who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?
11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
Jesus had the power to heal the sick, raise the dead, and forgive sins, because He was One with the Father.
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Post #69Marke: Nobody should ever worship a man or an angel but God commanded everyone to worship Jesus.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Apr 13, 2025 9:53 pmAnd what is your point? Jesus and the Father are "one" in that they are in agreement. They are also "one" with the disciples of Jesus, as we can see at John 17:20-23. Clearly they aren't all the same person. They are all of "one mind."marke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:03 pmMarke: John 5:11.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:31 amSo, do that means that Jesus has the eternal life as the Father said it in John 5:11?onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:52 pm"The Son of God has come that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ." Jesus gives us knowledge of the true one, God. The true one is God, the Father. Eternal life comes because of the Father's will that Jesus offer up himself for our sins.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 am
Ok, we'll start from here, Jesus said I am the life (eternal life in John 20:31), you say you believe it. Careful with this we might be guilty in 2 John 1:9.
The Father confirmed that the eternal life is in His Son. (1 John 5:11) Honest answer would confirm that the Father was not lying.
Question: Who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?
11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
Jesus had the power to heal the sick, raise the dead, and forgive sins, because He was One with the Father.