King James scholars

[placebofactor]

After reading many of the posts, I am sure there are many well-educated people on this forum, some schooled in the languages of Greek and Hebrew. But being a student compared to being the teacher or those who write the books on languages is vastly different. There are those on this forum who have criticized the K.J.B. and dare to compare it with the Bible their organization has published, or what Westcott and Hort have produced. To me, it’s about credentials.

Of the fifty-four translators who began the work, four were college presidents, six were bishops, five were deans, thirty held PhDs, thirty-nine held master's degrees, there were forty-one university professors, thirteen were masters of the Hebrew language, and ten had mastered Greek. Because of sickness and death, seven men dropped out.

Every man involved in the King James Bible translation believed in the verbal inspiration of the Scriptures, all believed in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and all were men of prayer. The translators of the King James Bible believed that what they had spent nearly seven years of their lives producing was an “exact translation of the holy Scriptures into the English tongue.”

Each man used the resources of Cambridge, Oxford, and Westminster Universities. Historians concur that during this era, the English language had “ripened to its full perfection.” It was also said, the study of Greek, and the oriental languages, and of rabbinical lore, had been carried to a greater extent in England than ever before or since. The character and credentials of the translators were impeccable.
I have listed only five of the 47 men who worked on the King James Bible.

Lancelot Andrewes, while a young student at Cambridge, learned a new language each year during Easter break. After several years, he had mastered most of the languages of Europe. He spoke Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Chaldee, Syriac, Arabic and at least fifteen other languages. It was said of him that he could have been “interpreter general” at the Tower of Babel! He was also reputed to have spent an average of five hours each day in prayer. He was known as “the star of preachers.”

William Bedwell produced translations of the Scriptures into Hebrew, Syriac, Chaldee and Arabic. He produced a Persian dictionary and a three-volume Arabic lexicon. He was a master of the Semitic languages, which shed much light on Hebrew words and phrases, most importantly those Hebrew words and phrases that found their way into the Greek language of the New Testament.

John Bois read through the Hebrew Bible by age five, and by age six was writing Hebrew legibly. He was often found studying Greek at the Cambridge library from four a.m. until 8 p.m. (sixteen hours a day!). Bois tutored many of his fellow students at the University in Greek, and his class was also attended by many of his Greek professors! He had the entire Greek New Testament committed to memory. He practiced fasting twice a week and often gave to help the poor until he had no more to give himself.

Dr. Miles Smith was known as “a walking library.” He was called by his contemporaries “an incomparable theologist.” He had studied all of the writings of the Latin and Greek church fathers, and was as well versed in Arabic, Chaldee and Syriac as he was in English. It was said of Smith that he “had Hebrew at his fingers’ ends.” He was chosen by the other translators to write the Preface to the King James Bible, Miles Smith served as the final editor on the King James translation, perusing the entire text of the Bible before it went to press in 1611.

John Reynolds at the age of 23 was made a Greek lecturer at Corpus Christi College. He gave himself to the study of the Scriptures in the original languages and was an “able and successful preacher.” He had read all the Greek and Latin fathers, and all the records of the ancient church. He was known as “a living library” and “a third university” (Oxford, Cambridge, and John Reynolds!). It is said of him, “The memory and reading of that man were near to a miracle. He was so well skilled in all arts and sciences, as if he had spent his whole life in each of them.”

Of the fifty-four translators, four were college presidents, six were bishops, five were deans, thirty held PhDs, thirty-nine held master's degrees, there were forty-one university professors, thirteen were masters of the Hebrew language, and ten had mastered Greek. Every man involved in the King James Bible translation believed in the verbal inspiration of the Scriptures, all believed in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and all were men of prayer. Yet they were all humble men.

A look at some of the statements of the translators themselves reveals the depth of their convictions concerning the eternal Word of God. They spoke of the Scriptures as “that inestimable treasure which excelleth all the riches of the earth.” They acknowledged the Bible as being “so full and so perfect,” “a fountain of most pure water, springing up into everlasting life.” They believed “the original (Scriptures were) from heaven, not earth; the author being God, not men; the penmen, such as were sanctified from the womb and endued with a principal portion of God’s Spirit.” They referred to the Bible as “God’s Word,” “God's Truth,” “God’s testimony,” “the Word of salvation.

A few closing comments from The Translators to the Reader: Gentle Reader, we commend thee to God, and the Spirit of His grace. He removed the scales from our eyes, the veil from our hearts, opening our wits that we may understand His Word, enlarging our hearts, yea correcting our affections, that we may love it above gold and silver, yea that we may love it to the end.

Ye are brought unto fountains of living water which ye dig not. Others have labored, and you may enter into their labors; O receive not so great things in vain, O despise not so great salvation! It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God; but a blessed thing it is, and will bring us to everlasting blsessedness in the end, when God speaks unto us, to hearken; when He sets His Word before us, to read it; when He stretches out His hand and calleth, to answer, Here am I, here we are to do thy will O God.”

[servant1]

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1822 Abner Kneeland a Greek scholar-non trinitarian, non JW, compared Greek to English side by side in his NT translation to prove to the world- a god is correct at John 1:1. 19 other Greek scholars have a god at John 1:1. Its correct.

[Capbook]

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1822 Abner Kneeland a Greek scholar-non trinitarian, non JW, compared Greek to English side by side in his NT translation to prove to the world- a god is correct at John 1:1. 19 other Greek scholars have a god at John 1:1. Its correct.

I think there is no comparison between translators of the KJB and Abner Kneeland NT transaltion.
His views even became too far, removed from Christianity and called the Universalist's Christian God as nothing more than a chimera of their own imagination.

He served as minister of various churches for a time, helping organize hymnals and making his own translation of the New Testament. He also debated with other public theologians of the day. As time went on, he became more and more skeptical of revealed religion, causing schisms in the churches he administered. Eventually, he and the Universalist Church parted ways after his views became too far removed from Christianity. Kneeland became a freethinker and pantheist, saying that the Universalist's Christian God was "nothing more than a chimera of their own imagination".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Kneeland

[placebofactor]

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1822 Abner Kneeland a Greek scholar-non trinitarian, non JW, compared Greek to English side by side in his NT translation to prove to the world- a god is correct at John 1:1. 19 other Greek scholars have a god at John 1:1. Its correct.

Servant 1, shame on you comparing Abner Keeland to any of the K.J.B. translators. You must have gotten your information from the Watchtower.

Abner Kneeland studied for one year at an academy in Chesterfield, N.H., but then his formal education stopped. Abner and his older brother went into carpentry. He also taught school and wrote a spelling book. By the age of 27 he joined the Baptist church in nearby Putney, Vt., and began to preach. Within three years he converted to Universalism.

Universalism is the doctrine that all people will one day be saved. Hmmm! Sounds like the Catholic church and their teaching on Purgatory.

Abner Kneeland’s blasphemy indictment claimed that he had written frequent, “attacks on Christian doctrine, that god was a figment of the people’s imagination, and that the story of Jesus was a fable.” He also wrote that miracles did not happen and that the idea of eternal life was unreal.

Abner Kneeland is typical of the Watchtowers' weak support concerning their corrupt Bible, the New World Translation.

[onewithhim]

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1822 Abner Kneeland a Greek scholar-non trinitarian, non JW, compared Greek to English side by side in his NT translation to prove to the world- a god is correct at John 1:1. 19 other Greek scholars have a god at John 1:1. Its correct.

Servant 1, shame on you comparing Abner Keeland to any of the K.J.B. translators. You must have gotten your information from the Watchtower.

Abner Kneeland studied for one year at an academy in Chesterfield, N.H., but then his formal education stopped. Abner and his older brother went into carpentry. He also taught school and wrote a spelling book. By the age of 27 he joined the Baptist church in nearby Putney, Vt., and began to preach. Within three years he converted to Universalism.

Universalism is the doctrine that all people will one day be saved. Hmmm! Sounds like the Catholic church and their teaching on Purgatory.

Abner Kneeland’s blasphemy indictment claimed that he had written frequent, “attacks on Christian doctrine, that god was a figment of the people’s imagination, and that the story of Jesus was a fable.” He also wrote that miracles did not happen and that the idea of eternal life was unreal.

Abner Kneeland is typical of the Watchtowers' weak support concerning their corrupt Bible, the New World Translation.

Why was it necessary for you to slam the Watchtower in this post? You have to get a dig in at that organization whenever you can, and it really, actually didn't jive with the rest of your post, which was about Abner Kneeland.

[servant1]

[Replying to Capbook in post #3]

You mean removed from Trinity Christendom. Well of course they removed him, truth exposes them as false religions.

[servant1]

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He is 100% correct-a god belongs at John 1:1----0 doubt in all creation. You best relook while there is time.
KJ translators used Catholicism translating=filled with errors, not to mention the removal of Gods name against Gods will by satans will to mislead all using those translations=100% fact of reality--Relook while there is time.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #3]

You mean removed from Trinity Christendom. Well of course they removed him, truth exposes them as false religions.

Your resource Abner Kneeland was a member Universalist church, historically a Christian denomination, believed in the universal salvation of all people, meaning that all souls would ultimately be saved, not just a select few. And the church is not Trinitarian.

[servant1]

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I never stated he knew all truth, he did know truth on John 1:1--all the false religions claiming to be Christian know some truth.

[placebofactor]

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1822 Abner Kneeland a Greek scholar-non trinitarian, non JW, compared Greek to English side by side in his NT translation to prove to the world- a god is correct at John 1:1. 19 other Greek scholars have a god at John 1:1. Its correct.

Servant 1, shame on you comparing Abner Keeland to any of the K.J.B. translators. You must have gotten your information from the Watchtower.

Abner Kneeland studied for one year at an academy in Chesterfield, N.H., but then his formal education stopped. Abner and his older brother went into carpentry. He also taught school and wrote a spelling book. By the age of 27 he joined the Baptist church in nearby Putney, Vt., and began to preach. Within three years he converted to Universalism.

Universalism is the doctrine that all people will one day be saved. Hmmm! Sounds like the Catholic church and their teaching on Purgatory.

Abner Kneeland’s blasphemy indictment claimed that he had written frequent, “attacks on Christian doctrine, that god was a figment of the people’s imagination, and that the story of Jesus was a fable.” He also wrote that miracles did not happen and that the idea of eternal life was unreal.

Abner Kneeland is typical of the Watchtowers' weak support concerning their corrupt Bible, the New World Translation.

Why was it necessary for you to slam the Watchtower in this post? You have to get a dig in at that organization whenever you can, and it really, actually didn't jive with the rest of your post, which was about Abner Kneeland.

I have one goal in life, to get one Jehovah's Witness away from that corrupt organization, or to prevent one person from getting drawn into it. That's my goal. If any witness is seeking the truth, or has any doubt, go elsewhere to find it. It will never be found in the N.W.T.