1. Jehovah’s Witnesses say Jesus was “a god.” This is how the NWT reads (John 1:1).
Do JW’s believe Jesus was a true or false god?
2. JW’s say Jesus is a created being.
When was Jesus (capital or lower case g) created?
I look forward to your responses to one or both questions.
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Post #1”For unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24
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Post #721Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "theotes" as the nature of being God, deity, divine nature. That in Jesus dwells all the fullness of divine nature in bodily form.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 3:27 pmOkay so when you say "God being" you mean the same "species" , the same lifeform like me and Trump are not animals ...we are both the same type or catagory of lifeform. Is that what you mean by "God being".
Just like you and Pres. Trump are one and the same in the nature of being human.
NT:2320 "theotes"
the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.'
'in him dwells all the fullness of divine nature in bodily form' Col 2:9.
'his eternal power and deity' Rom 1:20.
The expression 'divine nature' may be rendered in a number of languages as 'just what God is like' or 'how God is' or 'what God is.' In Rom 1:20 'deity' may sometimes be expressed as 'the fact that he is God' or '... is truly God.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)
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Post #722So when you say "godhead" you are saying Jesus and YHWH the Father are simply the same the same "lifeform" correct or incorrect?
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Post #723Incorrect, "Godhead" means Jesus and the Father are one and the same in the nature of being God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 6:22 amSo when you say "godhead" you are saying Jesus and YHWH the Father are simply the same the same "lifeform" correct or incorrect?
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Post #724So its NOT like me and the Presiden both being human. Correct or incorrect?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 12:36 amIncorrect, "Godhead" means Jesus and the Father are one and the same in the nature of being God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 6:22 amSo when you say "godhead" you are saying Jesus and YHWH the Father are simply the same the same "lifeform" correct or incorrect?
In what sense are Jesus and his Father like me and The President?
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Post #725JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 10:03 amCapbook wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 12:36 amIncorrect, "Godhead" means Jesus and the Father are one and the same in the nature of being God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 6:22 amSo when you say "godhead" you are saying Jesus and YHWH the Father are simply the same the same "lifeform" correct or incorrect?Correct, unless you feel being in the nature of God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 6:22 amSo its NOT like me and the Presiden both being human. Correct or incorrect?
Being in the nature of God, that is Jesus and the Father. Being in the nature of human that is you and the President. In what sense? If you feel and sense that you are God, then you are like Jesus and the Father.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 6:22 amIn what sense are Jesus and his Father like me and The President?
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Post #726I don't just feel I am human , I am human. So is the President.
Even you said we are both human you didnt say we both just feel human (which is not the same thing). My dog thinks it's human but it's still a dog.
What do the President and I have in common if not our common lifeform. We certainly do not have the same power, rank and age.
So, which of the above elements (apart from being the same lifeform, which you have taken off the table) is comparable to Jesus and the Father? Help me understand.
Being God = Being Human. Explain
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Post #727Yes, being human we are all the same. But any feeling you will have cannot change you being human.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 1:56 amEven you said we are both human you didnt say we both just feel human (which is not the same thing). My dog thinks it's human but it's still a dog.
Yes, same as Jesus and the Father, Father is greater than Jesus in rank, position etc but that does not change them of being one and the same of being in the nature of God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 1:56 amWhat do the President and I have in common if not our common lifeform. We certainly do not have the same power, rank and age.
Their "nature" is the best description than lifeform as to their being.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 1:56 amSo, which of the above elements (apart from being the same lifeform, which you have taken off the table) is comparable to Jesus and the Father? Help me understand.
I think it's been explain above. And I know that we both knew well what that means.
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Post #728So when you say "Godhead" you mean Jesus and his Father have the same nature although like me and the President they are not equal in power or rank.
Correct?
If so, why are they not equal in power and rank?
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Post #729As to Jesus and the Father, it is relational subordination.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 10:23 amSo when you say "Godhead" you mean Jesus and his Father have the same nature although like me and the President they are not equal in power or rank.
Correct?
If so, why are they not equal in power and rank?
As to you and Pres Trump, though you might not be of the same level in the stratum of society, you both are still the same in the state or nature of being human.
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Post #730You were not clear, is it true that Jesus and his Father are not equal in rank, power and authority?
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