In simple terms.
As a person that worships God alone I don't bend my knee to anyone or anything that is not God.
If Jesus is not God I would not bend my knee to Jesus.
Are people arguing they would bend their knee to not God, like the entire rest of the world does?
Jesus is God - Every knee shall bow
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Post #1Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Post #24Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Post #25[Replying to Wootah in post #24]
This area of scripture tends to be very misunderstood for some reason(s), and cannot be understood and read at face-value and simplistically.
(Php 2:7) but poured himself out, taking the mental attitude of a servant, and was the made just the same as all ordinary men.
(Php 2:8) And being perceived as a normal man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Php 2:9) Wherefore God highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name-
(Php 2:10) that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the earth,
(Php 2:11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
As God exalted his Son above any other creature, then God requires that all, not necessarily physically bow down as it's an idiom expression, although to deeply humble oneself as in kneeling in heart and mind, to God, not his Son. To God's glory, his Father, not his Son's glory. To confess that his Son, his anointed one, is the master and owner of them, of their very lives. If it was not for his Son, who died on the Cross, they would not be redeemed..to salvation, for many.
This area of scripture tends to be very misunderstood for some reason(s), and cannot be understood and read at face-value and simplistically.
(Php 2:7) but poured himself out, taking the mental attitude of a servant, and was the made just the same as all ordinary men.
(Php 2:8) And being perceived as a normal man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Php 2:9) Wherefore God highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name-
(Php 2:10) that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the earth,
(Php 2:11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
As God exalted his Son above any other creature, then God requires that all, not necessarily physically bow down as it's an idiom expression, although to deeply humble oneself as in kneeling in heart and mind, to God, not his Son. To God's glory, his Father, not his Son's glory. To confess that his Son, his anointed one, is the master and owner of them, of their very lives. If it was not for his Son, who died on the Cross, they would not be redeemed..to salvation, for many.
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Post #26[Replying to APAK in post #25]
Are you saying God spent all his time in the OT condemning the worship of 'not God' to then in the NT elevate 'not God' and tell us to worship 'not God'?
Are you saying God spent all his time in the OT condemning the worship of 'not God' to then in the NT elevate 'not God' and tell us to worship 'not God'?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Post #27The basis of your words are not Biblical, they are your own opinions and they are extreme. you cannot place scripture to support any of it.Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:01 pm [Replying to APAK in post #25]
Are you saying God spent all his time in the OT condemning the worship of 'not God' to then in the NT elevate 'not God' and tell us to worship 'not God'?
You created the idea that God was condemning the worship of his Son during the OT times when his Son never existed yet. And when his Son went to the Cross he indeed elevated him above every name, as the redeemer of mankind. And no, God does not want us to worship his Son as equal or above himself. That's an incredible and even a blasphemous idea. The true King is the King and his proxy King or Prince will always be his proxy, in stature and honor and even 'worship.'
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Post #30The OT predicts the son, the Messiah in every theme. I have many posts on here backing the view Jesus is God.APAK wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:19 pmThe basis of your words are not Biblical, they are your own opinions and they are extreme. you cannot place scripture to support any of it.Wootah wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 8:01 pm [Replying to APAK in post #25]
Are you saying God spent all his time in the OT condemning the worship of 'not God' to then in the NT elevate 'not God' and tell us to worship 'not God'?
You created the idea that God was condemning the worship of his Son during the OT times when his Son never existed yet. And when his Son went to the Cross he indeed elevated him above every name, as the redeemer of mankind. And no, God does not want us to worship his Son as equal or above himself. That's an incredible and even a blasphemous idea. The true King is the King and his proxy King or Prince will always be his proxy, in stature and honor and even 'worship.'
Imagine you had a book about Harry Potter (YHWH) and someone came along and wrote a new book about someone else and told you now everything to do with Harry Potter has to do with the new character. That is what you are doing. Page after page of the NT is about Jesus, not God for you.
You shouldn't allow yourself to mentally wiggle out of this. It is blasphemy to insert not God books and call them the New Testament and value them if Jesus is not God. Read the Old Testament and the lengths God went to to teach Isreal there is is only one God. I mean be fair to the Pharisees. They recognised the same thing I am saying and killed Jesus for it. Jews today recognise what I am saying and reject the New Testament.
But you seem to love having books added to the Bible that are about not God.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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