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The soul and the eternal soul

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Here I am to learn about a Bible topic that I admittedly have never studied in any depth. I am bringing no pre conceived views; and I will base my conclusion upon the evidence provided. Please help me to understand this.

Firstly what is the soul of a man or woman?

Secondly, do other creatures have this?

And thirdly does Bible scripture give any indication that the soul lives on after death and or is immortal?
Out of the eater came something to eat,
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Ross wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:52 pm Here I am to learn about a Bible topic that I admittedly have never studied in any depth. I am bringing no pre conceived views; and I will base my conclusion upon the evidence provided. Please help me to understand this.

Firstly what is the soul of a man or woman?

Secondly, do other creatures have this?

And thirdly does Bible scripture give any indication that the soul lives on after death and or is immortal?
Hi Ross.

#1: A Soul is a living organism's Genome Sequence.

#2: Yes, all living creatures with DNA have a Soul.

#3: Yes. There are many verses that describe a Soul living after death.

The Bible teaches that life is Tripartite:
  • Body
  • Soul
  • Spirit
When the Body perishes, the Soul and Spirit live on. The Soul can be destroyed in the Lake of Fire...

Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."


Spirit never dies. It has always existed and will continue to exist.

Let me know if you have any questions.

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Ross wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:52 pm Here I am to learn about a Bible topic that I admittedly have never studied in any depth. I am bringing no pre conceived views; and I will base my conclusion upon the evidence provided. Please help me to understand this.

Firstly what is the soul of a man or woman?
I think soul is the essence of a person, his mind and personality. And I think it can be seen by looking in to persons eyes, as ‘The eyes are the windows to the soul’.
Ross wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:52 pmSecondly, do other creatures have this?
I don't think Bible says they have, therefore I have no reason to believe so.
Ross wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:52 pmAnd thirdly does Bible scripture give any indication that the soul lives on after death and or is immortal?
I think this scripture indicates that soul can be destroyed or live after death of a body.

Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna [also translated hell].
Matt. 10:28

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Base12 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:56 pm
Ross wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:52 pm Here I am to learn about a Bible topic that I admittedly have never studied in any depth. I am bringing no pre conceived views; and I will base my conclusion upon the evidence provided. Please help me to understand this.

Firstly what is the soul of a man or woman?

Secondly, do other creatures have this?

And thirdly does Bible scripture give any indication that the soul lives on after death and or is immortal?
Hi Ross.

#1: A Soul is a living organism's Genome Sequence.

#2: Yes, all living creatures with DNA have a Soul.

#3: Yes. There are many verses that describe a Soul living after death.

The Bible teaches that life is Tripartite:
  • Body
  • Soul
  • Spirit
When the Body perishes, the Soul and Spirit live on. The Soul can be destroyed in the Lake of Fire...

Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."


Spirit never dies. It has always existed and will continue to exist.

Let me know if you have any questions.
Thank you for your post. I have the following questions please:
Base12 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:56 pm A Soul is a living organism's Genome Sequence.
As far as I am aware, this is not a Biblical term. Could you elaborate please with Bible verses?
Base12 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:56 pm Yes, all living creatures with DNA have a Soul.
Where does the Bible say this?
Base12 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:56 pm The Bible teaches that life is Tripartite:
[*]Body
[*]Soul
[*]Spirit
Again, scriptures please.
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1213 wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:48 am
Ross wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:52 pm Here I am to learn about a Bible topic that I admittedly have never studied in any depth. I am bringing no pre conceived views; and I will base my conclusion upon the evidence provided. Please help me to understand this.

Firstly what is the soul of a man or woman?
I think soul is the essence of a person, his mind and personality. And I think it can be seen by looking in to persons eyes, as ‘The eyes are the windows to the soul’.
Ross wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:52 pmSecondly, do other creatures have this?
I don't think Bible says they have, therefore I have no reason to believe so.
Ross wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:52 pmAnd thirdly does Bible scripture give any indication that the soul lives on after death and or is immortal?
I think this scripture indicates that soul can be destroyed or live after death of a body.

Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna [also translated hell].
Matt. 10:28
According to my current understanding of scripture (which is always open for correction) I pretty much agree with you.
Out of the eater came something to eat,
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Ross wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 1:21 pm
Base12 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:56 pm Again, scriptures please.
Before I continue, I would like to know what you believe.

Do you believe we are Tripartite or not?

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Base12 wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:17 pm
Ross wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 1:21 pm
Base12 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:56 pm Again, scriptures please.
Before I continue, I would like to know what you believe.

Do you believe we are Tripartite or not?
I was in my youth, educated as a Jehovah's Witness.
However I left the movement in my mid twenties and didn't look at a Bible or consider faith or God for the next 28 years.
Then I began to reconsider and re examine much of what I had been taught, and many of my views have changed.

Do I believe we are Tripartite? I haven't seriously considered it if I am honest. If I see it clearly in the scriptures I will believe. Though on the surface it would appear so.

It depends how one defines soul and spirit, which is the topic of my post.
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Thanks Ross. I will post some of my research.

Just to reiterate, I believe that all life is Tripartite:
  • Body
  • Soul
  • Spirit
Spirit:
The Bible teaches that Spirit is what we now call Electromagnetism. It is the electricity that flows through all living organisms. It is what makes our hearts beat etc. The verses are scattered all over the Bible and need to be put together to see the entire picture.

An example of this is found in Ezekiel. The 'Wheels Within Wheels' was a vision of atomic orbitals/shells. The 'eyes' going 'round about' were symbolic of Electrons...

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Note that the Spirit was in the Wheels...

Ezekiel 1:20
"Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels."

You heard of the Power of the Holy Ghost. There you go. It is literally power/electromagnetism.

The reason this is important to the OP is because one cannot understand Soul without first understanding Spirit.

Soul:
God created the First Adam from the 'Dust of the Ground', which is symbolic of Nitrogen Bases, Nucleotides, fragments of DNA, etc. More specifically, the Dust of the Ground is symbolic of a Genome Sequence...

Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."


The Genome must be formed first. It is the 'software code' that the Body will eventually be created from. Note that the Genome is in a 'deep sleep' until it can be 'quickened'. Thus, God breathed Spirit into the Genome Sequence and now Man is a Living Soul. In other words, he is Spirit (Electromagnetism) and Soul (Genome Sequence) combined. Note also that he does not have a physical Body yet. That comes later.

Body:
When a lifeform dies, they shed the Body. It is like taking off clothes. Scripture calls this 'nakedness'. Adam was 'naked' in that he did not have a Body yet.

The Word of God is often symbolic of a Genome and Gene Sequences as well...

John 1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


The 'Word Made Flesh' is what we call DNA now. The Sword is often symbolic of DNA and the Word of God. That is where Soul and Spirit combine in the smallest form possible...

Hebrews 4:12
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."


Nitrogen Bases + Electromagnetism is where the division of Soul and Spirit is. The 'joints and marrow' are parts of the Body that is created from said DNA. Body, Soul, Spirit.

The Tables of the Heart is also symbolic of the Genome Sequence and Soul. When we put it all together, we discover that our Genome and our Spirit are sometimes at odds with each other...

Galatians 5:17
"For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."


This is why there is so much confusion on what a Soul is. Our Genomes/Souls are filled with primitive programming and animal instincts. Our Spirit is always trying to overrule the Soul. They fight one another.

Thus, Soul can have character, but so can Spirit. Think of a lamb compared to a snake. Two different Genomes, two different Souls. They act different because of their DNA. We as humans again can override the primitive instincts/personality of the hardwired Soul and use the Spirit to avoid sin.

Anyhow, that is just some basic info. Salvation is all about God Eugenics. It is about rewriting our Soul, our Genomes to eliminate all of that carnal garbage we inherited from the Fall of Eden.

Salvation is a DNA/Biology issue.

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Base12 wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:54 pm Salvation is a DNA/Biology issue.
The point of the Lake of Fire is to get rid of bad Genetics, i.e., destroy the Soul. Again, it is a form of Eugenics.

Since a Soul/Genome Sequence is information, the only way to destroy said information is via this special process.

Note that Spirit, i.e., Electromagnetism is never destroyed. It has always existed and will continue to exist. God does not destroy himself.

The Spirit of a person who has gone through the Lake of Fire is sent back here for another try.

Born Again works both ways, contrary to the false dogma that Christians are told.

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1213 wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:48 am
Ross wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:52 pm
I think soul is the essence of a person, his mind and personality.
And the fish. Don't forget the fish!

GENESIS 1:21

Smith's Literal Translation
And God will form great sea monsters and every living soul creeping, which the waters bred abundantly according to their kind ....
Catholic Public Domain Version
And God created the great sea creatures, and everything with a living soul and the ability to move that the waters produced
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Romans 14:8

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