Hebrews 1 and 2

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The book of Hebrews was written before the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D. When Hebrews was written, only the Jews were acquainted with the Mosaic law, their traditions, and the oral law.
The Book of Hebrews was written to the Jews, had it been written to the Gentiles, not one in ten thousand could have comprehended it because of their unfamiliarity with the Jewish system.

Jesus of Nazareth is the True God: To convince the Jews, of the truth of this proposition, the writer of the book uses three arguments:
1. Christ is superior to the angels.
2. He is superior to Moses.
3. He is superior to Aaron.

Isaiah 52:13, “Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled (lifted up), and be very high.”

Christ: King of the Jews, elevated above Abraham, Moses; and the angels, all fulfilled in the Jewish Messiah. And because Christ was greater than these, he must be greater than every created being. If understood in this light, according to Jewish phraseology, Jesus is an uncreated Being, infinitely greater than all others, whether earthly or heavenly. For as the Jews allowed the greatest eminence to angels (next to the Father) the writer concludes, “That he who is greater than the angels is truly God:

Hebrews 1:6, “And let all the angels of God worship him.” This would include Lucifer, also called the devil, or Satan.

This is the point of the writer of Hebrews, be it Paul or Luke. His epistles were clear, and his proof lies in the following.

Jesus has a more excellent name than angels, including Michael and Gabriel. Hebrews 1:4, “He has by inheritance (from his Father) obtained a more excellent name than they.”

Jesus is adored by the angels Hebrews 1:6, because he created them, verse 7, “Who made his angels spirits,”

In his human nature, he was endowed with greater gifts than they. Hebrews 1:8-9.

Because Jesus is eternal: Verses 10-11: He laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of his hands: They shall perish; but he will remain.

Jesus is more highly exalted, Hebrews 1:13, the Father said to him, “Sit at my right hand,”

Angels are the servants of God, but Jesus is the Son of God. Verse 14.

The Jews were warned not to neglect Christ. Hebrews 2:1, “Give heed to the things which we (the apostles) have heard,”

A negative argument is given by Divine Revelations.
Jesus is a man, less than the angels. Hebrew 2:6. Therefore, he cannot be superior to them.

How to answer this argument: Jesus, as a mortal, by his death and resurrection, overcame all his enemies, and subdued all things to himself; therefore, he must be greater than the angels, Hebrews 2:9, “Jesus who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor: that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

Though Jesus died as a man, and was in respect, inferior to the angels; it was necessary to take on to himself the form of a man and be of the same nature as those he was to redeem; a thing he did without prejudice to his Divinity, read Hebrews 2:10-18.
He is the author and finisher of our faith and of our salvation.
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But Jesus is our Father, Isaiah 9:6. And I'm curious why certain people on this forum don't give Jesus the same respect. Only through Jesus Christ is anyone saved. My advice: because Jesus is our Father, he deserves the same respect from us that he gives his Father.

If Jesus is your Father and your God, and you respect him, why don't you believe what he says?

And call no one your father on earth, for One is your Father, the One in Heaven.
Matt. 23:9
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus said to her, Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God, and your God.
John 20:17

He was speaking as a man; one made lower than the angels, made a servant. His goal as a man, was to fulfill the will of his Father. The Father's will was, to "Seek and to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Even in the form of a man, what men could not see was what demons could see, and when they saw what men could not see, they fell down and worshipped him.

So, you think after Jesus was on earth, he became God the Father? Do you think there is now two Gods in Heaven? And if Jesus is the Father, who is the son in this 1 Cor. 15:27-28?

For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28
The one having the Son has life. The one not having the Son of God does not have life.
1 John 5:12

[Bible_Student]

He was speaking as a man...

Do you know anything that Jesus said "as a God"?

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He was speaking as a man...

Do you know anything that Jesus said "as a God"?

If you are a Jehovah's Witness, you will deny this verse because the Watchtower rewrote these verses. But regarding your question, and for the one thousand time,

Revelation 1:8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Revelation 4:8, "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."

So, the question is, who is coming, the Son or the Father?

Revelation 19:11, John saw, "Jesus on a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true, and in righteousness he will judge and make war." Jesus is the Judge who is to come. and he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called the Word of God." John 1:1, Jesus is the Word.

So Jesus is the one coming, therefore, he is the Almighty of Revelation 1:8,

John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us," Jesus Christ born of a virgin put upon his glory the flesh of a man and dwelt among us."

When Jesus was born it is written in Matthew 1:23, "They shall call his name Em-man-uel, which being interpreted is God with us." So, who was it that was with us? It was Jesus Christ who is said to be, "God with us."

These verses are so clear when not messed around with by the cults, there can be no mistake, that Jesus Christ, Isaiah 9:6, Is called the Everlasting Father, the mighty God.

1 Timothy 3:16, another verse the Jehovah's Witnesses changed to fit their false teaching. "God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit,"

Was Jesus justified in the Spirit?

Luke 3:22, And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him (Jesus), and a voice (of the Father) came from heaven, which said, thou art my beloved Son: in thee I am well pleased." Two witnesses to the event, were John the Baptist, the Holy Ghost, and the Father in heaven.

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I have yet to encounter any statement where Jesus claims to be "God."

In the book of Revelation, Jesus is not depicted as God and does not speak in a manner that suggests he is. For instance, in Revelation 3:12, Jesus indicates that it is his God who is to be worshipped in the heavenly temple, not himself. Additionally, in chapters 4 and 5, Jesus is depicted as a Lamb receiving a sealed scroll from the One seated on the throne, which aligns with Daniel’s vision in Daniel 7:13-14.

Can you provide any examples of Jesus explicitly stating that he is God? This question frequently arises in religious discussions. I have yet to see a single Trinitarian reference a moment where Jesus directly asserts his Deity, i.e. that he is God himself.

How is it conceivable that he has never articulated something that Trinitarians consider crucial? Might it be that Trinitarians have overlooked the possibility that the Christ they believe in differs significantly from the Jesus portrayed in the Bible?

[RugMatic]

Hebrews was definitely not written for Jews. Jews find it to be the most Biblically illiterate book in the New Testament. Its Old Testament quotes don't remotely resemble the Hebrew or even the Targum ( most 1st century Jews used the Aramaic Targum). It loosely resembles the Septuagint, ( which according to the Talmud the Pharisees and even the unscrupulous Sadducees despised!)

Check the quotes yourself. You'll notice they hardly resemble even a paraphrase.

Some quotes are outright invented. I'll show a couple.

1:6 When he brings the firstborn into the world he says,let all the angels worship him. The Septuagint actually says, " let the sons of God worship him ...for he will avenge the blood of his sons, Deuteronomy 32:43. The Dead Sea Scrolls says, worship him you gods... he will avenge the blood of his sons. Nothing about worshiping his firstborn son. Not to mention the Masoretic Text says, rejoice nations... he will avenge the blood of his servants.

10:5 Sacrifices and offerings you want not, A body have you prepared me. Psalm 40:6 actually says you have opened my ears.

The author of Hewbrews had a spotty understanding of the Old Testament. I'll show a couple of examples. 9:3,4 thinks the altar of incense is in the holy of holies with the Ark. It isn't. My favorite is 11:27 Moses left Egypt unafraid of the king, when actually he left Egypt precisely because he was afraid of the king, Exodus 2:14,15.

The author of Hewbrews was a gentile trying to flex as some prestigious Jewish associate of Timothy, 13:23,but he couldn't have been because the first generation of Christians are dead and gone by his own admission, 2:3.

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Hebrews was definitely not written for Jews. Jews find it to be the most Biblically illiterate book in the New Testament. Its Old Testament quotes don't remotely resemble the Hebrew or even the Targum ( most 1st century Jews used the Aramaic Targum). It loosely resembles the Septuagint, ( which according to the Talmud the Pharisees and even the unscrupulous Sadducees despised!)

Check the quotes yourself. You'll notice they hardly resemble even a paraphrase.

Some quotes are outright invented. I'll show a couple.

1:6 When he brings the firstborn into the world he says,let all the angels worship him. The Septuagint actually says, " let the sons of God worship him ...for he will avenge the blood of his sons, Deuteronomy 32:43. The Dead Sea Scrolls says, worship him you gods... he will avenge the blood of his sons. Nothing about worshiping his firstborn son. Not to mention the Masoretic Text says, rejoice nations... he will avenge the blood of his servants.

10:5 Sacrifices and offerings you want not, A body have you prepared me. Psalm 40:6 actually says you have opened my ears.

The author of Hewbrews had a spotty understanding of the Old Testament. I'll show a couple of examples. 9:3,4 thinks the altar of incense is in the holy of holies with the Ark. It isn't. My favorite is 11:27 Moses left Egypt unafraid of the king, when actually he left Egypt precisely because he was afraid of the king, Exodus 2:14,15.

The author of Hewbrews was a gentile trying to flex as some prestigious Jewish associate of Timothy, 13:23,but he couldn't have been because the first generation of Christians are dead and gone by his own admission, 2:3.

Wow, I never read such nonsense. No gentile ever received the words found in Scripture. Romans 3:1-2, "What advantage then has the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them (the Jews) were committed the oracles of God." the oracles of God are his divine communication to the Jews. So, through Christ, who was a Jew, the doctrines of the gospel.

Acts 7:38, Moses, a Jew, "That was in the wilderness with the angel which spoke to him ---- who received the (living) oracles to give unto us:" Jeremiah, Daniel, Isaiah, Hosea, Micah, Habakkuk, Zackeriah, Malachi, Samuel, etc. All Jews, all from one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

[RugMatic]

Hebrews was definitely not written for Jews. Jews find it to be the most Biblically illiterate book in the New Testament. Its Old Testament quotes don't remotely resemble the Hebrew or even the Targum ( most 1st century Jews used the Aramaic Targum). It loosely resembles the Septuagint, ( which according to the Talmud the Pharisees and even the unscrupulous Sadducees despised!)

Check the quotes yourself. You'll notice they hardly resemble even a paraphrase.

Some quotes are outright invented. I'll show a couple.

1:6 When he brings the firstborn into the world he says,let all the angels worship him. The Septuagint actually says, " let the sons of God worship him ...for he will avenge the blood of his sons, Deuteronomy 32:43. The Dead Sea Scrolls says, worship him you gods... he will avenge the blood of his sons. Nothing about worshiping his firstborn son. Not to mention the Masoretic Text says, rejoice nations... he will avenge the blood of his servants.

10:5 Sacrifices and offerings you want not, A body have you prepared me. Psalm 40:6 actually says you have opened my ears.

The author of Hewbrews had a spotty understanding of the Old Testament. I'll show a couple of examples. 9:3,4 thinks the altar of incense is in the holy of holies with the Ark. It isn't. My favorite is 11:27 Moses left Egypt unafraid of the king, when actually he left Egypt precisely because he was afraid of the king, Exodus 2:14,15.

The author of Hewbrews was a gentile trying to flex as some prestigious Jewish associate of Timothy, 13:23,but he couldn't have been because the first generation of Christians are dead and gone by his own admission, 2:3.

Wow, I never read such nonsense. No gentile ever received the words found in Scripture. Romans 3:1-2, "What advantage then has the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them (the Jews) were committed the oracles of God." the oracles of God are his divine communication to the Jews. So, through Christ, who was a Jew, the doctrines of the gospel.

Acts 7:38, Moses, a Jew, "That was in the wilderness with the angel which spoke to him ---- who received the (living) oracles to give unto us:" Jeremiah, Daniel, Isaiah, Hosea, Micah, Habakkuk, Zackeriah, Malachi, Samuel, etc. All Jews, all from one of the 12 tribes of Israel.

I'd expect a Jew to understand the Old Testament. The author of hebrews did not, so I assume they're a gentile. Maybe it was an ignorant Jew. Possible.

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John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us," Jesus Christ born of a virgin put upon his glory the flesh of a man and dwelt among us."

When Jesus was born it is written in Matthew 1:23, "They shall call his name Em-man-uel, which being interpreted is God with us." So, who was it that was with us? It was Jesus Christ who is said to be, "God with us."
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Bible tells God dwells in Jesus.

For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily,
Col. 2:9
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 14:10-11

That is why it can be said "God with us".

And God can live also in disciples of Jesus, because they are also God's temple:

For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's farming, God's building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another builds on it. But let each man be careful how he builds on it. For no one can lay any other foundation than that which has been laid, which is Jesus Christ… …Don’t you know that you are a temple of God, and that God’s Spirit lives in you?
1 Cor. 3:9-11, 16

[onewithhim]

He was speaking as a man...

Do you know anything that Jesus said "as a God"?

If you are a Jehovah's Witness, you will deny this verse because the Watchtower rewrote these verses.

Contrarily, the WT is the only group of Christians that has NOT rewritten the verses. The NWT goes back to the very first renderings of the verses, as far back as we can possibly go, and has translated them without bias and without changing any wording or meaning. BTW, where do you get your authority to make such a judgment against Jehovah's Witnesses? You are spreading your opinions on everything, and it would be to your advantage to not judge JWs so harshly.

The Scriptures that you present to show that Jesus is God have been mangled by translators such as the King James translators. They are bad translations. It behooves us to compare versions of the Bible, to see what most translators are saying. It is also good to check out an Interlinear Version to look at the Hebrew and Greek words and their places in a sentence.

And JWs taught the truth for a hundred years with the KJV before the NWT was available. There are plenty of verses in the KJV that contradict what you are saying when you refer to certain verses. JWs could see this contradiction and brought peoples' attention to the contradictions, finding that Jehovah is the ONLY true God and is distinctly referred to as that, and Jesus as His Son and subordinate. Jesus' own words tell us that the Father is "the only true God." (John 17:3, KJV) If anyone makes the statement that the Bible contradicts itself, they are referring to the King James Version.

[onewithhim]

Hebrews was definitely not written for Jews. Jews find it to be the most Biblically illiterate book in the New Testament. Its Old Testament quotes don't remotely resemble the Hebrew or even the Targum ( most 1st century Jews used the Aramaic Targum). It loosely resembles the Septuagint, ( which according to the Talmud the Pharisees and even the unscrupulous Sadducees despised!)
heck the quotes yourself. You'll notice they hardly resemble even a paraphrase.

The O.T quotes found in Hebrews might not resemble the Hebrew in the Tanakh but that is only because the quotations in question were not translated correctly in the King James Version. When you go back to Hebrews 1:8 there is a distinct error here in translating from the original Hebrew verse. The writer of Hebrews would surely have quoted the verse in Psalms as it was written:

"Your divine throne is everlasting," not "your throne O God." More modern translations have mistranslated, esp. the King James Version which many other versions emulate. (See the Tanakh by the Jewish Publication Society.)