The angel of the LORD

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As we study the Scripture, we find the often-recurring phrase, “The angel of the LORD.” In almost all cases, this messenger is regarded as Deity yet distinguished from the Father. The angel of the LORD is the pre-incarnate Logos (the Word), his appearance in angelic or human form foreshadows his coming in the flesh.

Genesis 16:7-14, “The angel of the LORD found her (Hagar) by a fountain of water in the wilderness,” In verse 9, he tells Hagar to return to Sarai, and to submit to her. Verse 10, He tells her, “I will multiply your seed exceedingly, verse 11, He tells Hagar she’s with child and will bear a son, and that she is to call his name Ishmael; Verse 13, “She called the name of the LORD (Jehovah) that spoke unto her, thou God (the mighty one) sees me.”

Genesis 22:11, “The angel of the LORD called out to him (Abraham) out of heaven,” Verse 12, he said, “Lay not your hand upon the lad (Isaac). Verse 14, “Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh (meaning, the LORD will provide).

Verse 15-16, "The angel of the LORD called out unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, by myself have I sworn, said the LORD.”

Genesis 31:11, “The angel of God (Elohim) spoke unto me (Jacob) in a dream.” In verse 13, The angel of God (Elohim) then said, “I am the God (mighty one) of Bethel,”

Numbers 22:22-35, “The angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him (Balaam.) Verse25, “When the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall,” Verse 28, “And the LORD (Jehovah) opened the mouth of the ass,” Verse 31, “Then the LORD (Jehovah) opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD (Jehovah) standing in the way, and his sword drawn."

Judges 6:11-23, “The angel of the LORD appeared unto him (Gideon).” Because Gideon doubted the one speaking to him, he called him Adoni or Lord. Verse 14, “And the LORD (Jehovah) looked upon him,” Verse 23, “The LORD (Jehovah) said to him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shall not die.” Verse 25, “Gideon built an altar unto the LORD, and called it Jehovah-shalom:”

Judges 13: The angel of the LORD appears to the wife of Manoah, the father of Samson. She runs and tells her husband, “A man of God came unto me, his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God. Verse 8, “Manoah intreated the LORD (he calls him Adonay) a name for God only. In verse 17, Manoah asks the angel of the LORD, “What is your mane,” The LORD answered “My name is secret (meaning Wonderful). Wonderful is what Isaiah 9:6, calls the Son of God, his name shall be called “Wonderful.” Verse 22, “Manoah said unto his wife, we shall surely die, because we have seen God (Jehovah).”

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Exodus 3:2, "The angel of the LORD appeared unto him (Moses) in a flame of fire." Verse 4, "And when the LORD (Jehovah) saw that he (Moses) turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses," Verse 5, Do not draw near this place "put off your shoes from off your feet, for the place whereon you stand is holy ground. Verse 6, The LORD said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

Verse 7, "And the LORD (Jehovah) said," to Moses ---."

Verse the LORD (Jehovah) said, "I have come down to deliver them (the Jews) out of the hand of the Egyptians,"

Verse 11, "Moses said unto God (Elohim)---."

In these verses, Jesus proves to have many names and titles, He is called,
1. The angel of the LORD

2. Elohim (God)

3. Jehovah (LORD)

4. I Am (the Almighty)

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Exodus 3:2, "The angel of the LORD appeared unto him (Moses) in a flame of fire." Verse 4, "And when the LORD (Jehovah) saw that he (Moses) turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses," Verse 5, Do not draw near this place "put off your shoes from off your feet, for the place whereon you stand is holy ground. Verse 6, The LORD said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

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In these verses, Jesus proves to have many names and titles ...

Where do the verses identify the speaker as JESUS?

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Exodus 3:2, "The angel of the LORD appeared unto him (Moses) in a flame of fire." Verse 4, "And when the LORD (Jehovah) saw that he (Moses) turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses," Verse 5, Do not draw near this place "put off your shoes from off your feet, for the place whereon you stand is holy ground. Verse 6, The LORD said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

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In these verses, Jesus proves to have many names and titles ...

Where do the verses identify the speaker as JESUS?

See the original post. The people I mentioned saw, heard, and spoke to the "Angel of the Lord." Then they worshiped him and built altars of worship to him. Because no man has seen the Father, who else can it be but the Son of God? He who is the Light and life of the world, our Creator, Savior, and Redeemer, God blessed forever. And for those who honor and worship Jesus Christ, Jesus' Father will honor them.

[JehovahsWitness]

... Because no man has seen the Father, who else can it be but the Son of God?

You misquote

JOHN 1:18 KJV

"No man hath seen God at any time

If Jesus, as the WORD is God he cannot have been seen so that rules Jesus out...


Try again.

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... Because no man has seen the Father, who else can it be but the Son of God?

You misquote

JOHN 1:18 KJV

"No man hath seen God at any time

If Jesus, as the WORD is God he cannot have been seen so that rules Jesus out...


Try again.

After reading your post, I wonder how long it would take you to put a 1000-piece puzzle together.

Simple explaination:

No man has ever seen the Father (period). Front side, back side, any side.

Until the Mt. of Transfiguration, no man had ever witnessed the full glory of Jesus Christ. When he appeared as a man his glory was covered in flesh. If you put a mask on, would any of your friends recognize you? Answer, "No."

When Jesus appeared as the angel of the LORD in the O.T., his glory was covered with flesh. Why? So, he could communicate with men. Seen in the flesh by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. seen by Sampson's father and mother, by Adam in the garden, and many other times throughout scripture, but always covered with the flesh of a man.

Moses was told to hide in the cleft of a rock, and when the LORD passed before him, he saw only his backside.

Exodus 33:22-23, The LORD is speaking to Moses. He said, "It shall come to pass, while my glory passes by, that I will put you in a cleft of the rock and will cover you with my hand while I pass by: and I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."

[RugMatic]

As we study the Scripture, we find the often-recurring phrase, “The angel of the LORD.” In almost all cases, this messenger is regarded as Deity yet distinguished from the Father. The angel of the LORD is the pre-incarnate Logos (the Word), his appearance in angelic or human form foreshadows his coming in the flesh.

Genesis 16:7-14, “The angel of the LORD found her (Hagar) by a fountain of water in the wilderness,” In verse 9, he tells Hagar to return to Sarai, and to submit to her. Verse 10, He tells her, “I will multiply your seed exceedingly, verse 11, He tells Hagar she’s with child and will bear a son, and that she is to call his name Ishmael; Verse 13, “She called the name of the LORD (Jehovah) that spoke unto her, thou God (the mighty one) sees me.”

Genesis 22:11, “The angel of the LORD called out to him (Abraham) out of heaven,” Verse 12, he said, “Lay not your hand upon the lad (Isaac). Verse 14, “Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh (meaning, the LORD will provide).

Verse 15-16, "The angel of the LORD called out unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, by myself have I sworn, said the LORD.”

Genesis 31:11, “The angel of God (Elohim) spoke unto me (Jacob) in a dream.” In verse 13, The angel of God (Elohim) then said, “I am the God (mighty one) of Bethel,”

Numbers 22:22-35, “The angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him (Balaam.) Verse25, “When the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall,” Verse 28, “And the LORD (Jehovah) opened the mouth of the ass,” Verse 31, “Then the LORD (Jehovah) opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD (Jehovah) standing in the way, and his sword drawn."

Judges 6:11-23, “The angel of the LORD appeared unto him (Gideon).” Because Gideon doubted the one speaking to him, he called him Adoni or Lord. Verse 14, “And the LORD (Jehovah) looked upon him,” Verse 23, “The LORD (Jehovah) said to him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shall not die.” Verse 25, “Gideon built an altar unto the LORD, and called it Jehovah-shalom:”

Judges 13: The angel of the LORD appears to the wife of Manoah, the father of Samson. She runs and tells her husband, “A man of God came unto me, his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God. Verse 8, “Manoah intreated the LORD (he calls him Adonay) a name for God only. In verse 17, Manoah asks the angel of the LORD, “What is your mane,” The LORD answered “My name is secret (meaning Wonderful). Wonderful is what Isaiah 9:6, calls the Son of God, his name shall be called “Wonderful.” Verse 22, “Manoah said unto his wife, we shall surely die, because we have seen God (Jehovah).”

The Old Testament authors replaced the pantheon with angels. It was their way of distancing themselves from their polytheist past, ie., verses such as: God judges among the gods, Psalm 82:1. Numbers 33:4 Yahweh judged the gods of Egypt.


They weren't thinking of the Greeks' Logos. Jews didn't care about greek philosophical concepts, they were simply evolving Judaism into monotheism and the easiest way to do that was ditching the gods and replacing them with angels.

[Bible_Student]

... Jews (...) were simply evolving Judaism into monotheism and the easiest way to do that was ditching the gods and replacing them with angels.

Could you identify by its proper name any of those so-called "gods" from the alleged Jewish "pantheon" you mentioned?

[RugMatic]

... Jews (...) were simply evolving Judaism into monotheism and the easiest way to do that was ditching the gods and replacing them with angels.

Could you identify by its proper name any of those so-called "gods" from the alleged Jewish "pantheon" you mentioned?

For srarters, El Elyon, God most high, was the top Canaanite god. This name was repeatedly used for Yahweh. The Canaanite pantheon was never denied in the earliest Old Testament texts. There's many examples of this. Yahweh gave Israel their land and Chemosh gave the Ammonites theirs, Judges 11:24.

Many Psalms are henotheistic. Psalm 138:1, I will praise you with my whole heart before the gods...

David's best friend named his children after Baal, 1 Chronicles 8:34 the son of Jonathan was Merib Baal, Fighter for Baal. Jonathan also had a brother named Esh Baal, Man of Baal, 1 Chronicles 8:33. David named places after Baal, 2 Samuel 5:20. Elijah didn't deny Baal's existence, he believed Yahweh was stronger, 1 Kings 18:27.

Yahweh is said to mount Cherubs and ride them in the sky, Psalm 18:10. Cherubs were well know figures of eastern mythology that were said to be bulls with wings. Yahweh is also compared to a bull, Numbers 23:22. Yahweh is also said to have wings, Psalm 57: 1.

The Old Testament repeatedly narrates Israel's worship of the gods, and archeology affirms it as well.

On any event, the authors of the Old Testament were not contemplating the Greeks' philosophical logos when they wrote about angels.

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Could you identify by its proper name any of those so-called "gods" from the alleged Jewish "pantheon" you mentioned?

For srarters, El Elyon, God most high, was the top Canaanite god. This name was repeatedly used for Yahweh.

Correct: El Elyon (the Most High) is a name or title that applies to Jehovah, not to any other different god.

 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was priest of the Most High God.
19 Then he blessed him and said:
“Blessed be Abram by the Most High God,
Maker of heaven and earth;
20 And praised be the Most High God,
Who has handed your oppressors over to you!”
And Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
21 After that the king of Sodom said to Abram: “Give me the people, but take the goods for yourself.” 22 But Abram said to the king of Sodom:
“I raise my hand in an oath to Jehovah the Most High God, Maker of heaven and earth (...)"

David's best friend named his children after Baal, the son of Jonathan was Merib Baal, Fighter for Baal. Jonathan also had a brother named Esh Baal, Man of Baal, . David named places after Baal, . Elijah didn't deny Baal's existence, he believed Yahweh was stronger

Anyone familiar with the Scriptures understands that the Israelites deviated from their sole worship of Jehovah. Nevertheless, Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who requires exclusive devotion (), imposed harsh penalties upon them for their transgressions.

Do you believe Jehovah ever permitted them to worship any Baal without facing consequences? What does Jehovah say about the practices of the people and their rulers through the prophets he sent to speak to them in his name?

PS: Baal was not a proper name but a title.