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2 Thessalonians 2:10-11, “They received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe (the) lie:

What is the definition of a cult? A cult is a religious or semi-religious sect whose members are controlled almost entirely by a single individual or by an organization. They are manipulative, demanding total commitment and loyalty from their followers. Converts are usually cut off from all former associations, including their families. The Hare Krishnas, the Family of Love led by Moses David Berg, and Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church are examples. They deviate from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith derived from the Bible and confirmed through ancient comprehensive, unifying doctrines.

Techniques of the cults are:
1. Repetitive instructions through streaming, books, magazines, and meetings. They hammer home the same basic information repeatedly. Example: Jesus is not God, and there is no Holy Spirit, no hell, no soul or spirit, etc.
2. All new members are told to break their relations with outside friends and to limit fellowship with non-members'.
3. They’re told not to read critical work outside of their publications, especially material from former members.
4. They threaten to shun if rules are broken
5. All ex-members are to be shunned.
6. They verbally attack and undermine the authority of outside institutions, such as religious, educational, medical, and governmental.
7. Their mindset is a coordinated superiority/ inferiority-guilt complex.

They will not stand for their authority to be challenged by any member. They set guidelines to prevent followers from circulating or possessing unauthorized literature. The following examples are from the Watchtower because of my familiarity with their literature.

In the May 1, 1984, Watchtower, under the heading “Questions from Readers” on page 31, the question was asked, “Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses decline to exchange their Bible study aids for the religious literature of people they meet?” Their answer,

“It would be foolhardy, as well as a waste of valuable time, for Jehovah’s Witnesses to accept and expose themselves to false religious literature that is designed to deceive. Hence, it is out of wisdom and respect for God’s counsel that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not make a practice of exchanging valuable Bible study aids containing Scriptural truth for religious literature that disseminates error or apostate views.” I call that, religious totalitarianism.

In their March 15, 1986, issue of the Watchtower featured a photo of a woman tossing mail into the trash before the postman left. The caption, page 12, “Why is reading apostate publications similar to reading pornographic literature?”

In a November 1, 1987, Watchtower, page 19 they “claim that some Witnesses have exposed themselves to possible spiritual contamination by tuning in to religious radio and television broadcasts.”

Your thoughts:

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:50 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:02 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:47 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:42 am Marke: I have talked with Jehovah's Witnesses who claim they do not believe this:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS: The Jehovah's Witnesses accept the ENTIRE Bible as the inspired word of God. There is not a single scripture in the established biblical canon that they do not believe to be true.


NOTE The official website of the Jehovah's Witnesses is www.jw.org and it is there that you can check if what you have heard are actually our OFFICIAL beliefs
Marke: Do you believe sinners will be condemned to the fire that is not quenched where the worm dies not as Jesus said?
You believe that worms can live forever? I think Jesus was talking about something deeper.
Marke: If God says the worm will not die then the worm will not die.

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marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:50 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:02 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:47 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:42 am Marke: I have talked with Jehovah's Witnesses who claim they do not believe this:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS: The Jehovah's Witnesses accept the ENTIRE Bible as the inspired word of God. There is not a single scripture in the established biblical canon that they do not believe to be true.


NOTE The official website of the Jehovah's Witnesses is www.jw.org and it is there that you can check if what you have heard are actually our OFFICIAL beliefs
Marke: Do you believe sinners will be condemned to the fire that is not quenched where the worm dies not as Jesus said?
You believe that worms can live forever? I think Jesus was talking about something deeper.
Marke: If God says the worm will not die then the worm will not die.
What do you think David meant when he wrote Psalms 22:6 concerning the death of the coming Messiah? "But I am a worm, and no man, a reproach of men, and despised of the people." Jesus became an object of contempt to the Jews; therefore, they despised and derided him.

And don't tell me they were talking about David. Psalms 22 is about Christ.

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placebofactor wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:54 pm
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:50 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:02 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:47 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:42 am Marke: I have talked with Jehovah's Witnesses who claim they do not believe this:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS: The Jehovah's Witnesses accept the ENTIRE Bible as the inspired word of God. There is not a single scripture in the established biblical canon that they do not believe to be true.


NOTE The official website of the Jehovah's Witnesses is www.jw.org and it is there that you can check if what you have heard are actually our OFFICIAL beliefs
Marke: Do you believe sinners will be condemned to the fire that is not quenched where the worm dies not as Jesus said?
You believe that worms can live forever? I think Jesus was talking about something deeper.
Marke: If God says the worm will not die then the worm will not die.
What do you think David meant when he wrote Psalms 22:6 concerning the death of the coming Messiah? "But I am a worm, and no man, a reproach of men, and despised of the people." Jesus became an object of contempt to the Jews; therefore, they despised and derided him.

And don't tell me they were talking about David. Psalms 22 is about Christ.
Marke: The Bible is filled with metaphors, analogies, and symbolism. Nevertheless, sometimes worms speak of real worms and not symbolic worms, as in Job 21.
Job 21:25-26

King James Version
25 And another dieth in the bitterness of his soul, and never eateth with pleasure.

26 They shall lie down alike in the dust, and the worms shall cover them.
/b]

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marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 pm
placebofactor wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:54 pm
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:50 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:02 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:47 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:42 am Marke: I have talked with Jehovah's Witnesses who claim they do not believe this:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS: The Jehovah's Witnesses accept the ENTIRE Bible as the inspired word of God. There is not a single scripture in the established biblical canon that they do not believe to be true.


NOTE The official website of the Jehovah's Witnesses is www.jw.org and it is there that you can check if what you have heard are actually our OFFICIAL beliefs
Marke: Do you believe sinners will be condemned to the fire that is not quenched where the worm dies not as Jesus said?
You believe that worms can live forever? I think Jesus was talking about something deeper.
Marke: If God says the worm will not die then the worm will not die.
What do you think David meant when he wrote Psalms 22:6 concerning the death of the coming Messiah? "But I am a worm, and no man, a reproach of men, and despised of the people." Jesus became an object of contempt to the Jews; therefore, they despised and derided him.

And don't tell me they were talking about David. Psalms 22 is about Christ.
Marke: The Bible is filled with metaphors, analogies, and symbolism. Nevertheless, sometimes worms speak of real worms and not symbolic worms, as in Job 21.
Job 21:25-26

King James Version
25 And another dieth in the bitterness of his soul, and never eateth with pleasure.

26 They shall lie down alike in the dust, and the worms shall cover them.
/b]


Isaiah 41:14, "Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel;" Jacob and Israel are brought low by the word of the LORD, weak, defenseless, trampled on, and forced to creep into the earth for safety. So, in Psalms 22:6, when the coming Messiah is called a worm, he will by the people and religious elite of Israel be considered to be defenseless, and weak.

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placebofactor wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:52 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:04 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:34 am 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11, “They received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe (the) lie:

What is the definition of a cult? A cult is a religious or semi-religious sect whose members are controlled almost entirely by a single individual or by an organization. They are manipulative, demanding total commitment and loyalty from their followers. Converts are usually cut off from all former associations, including their families. The Hare Krishnas, the Family of Love led by Moses David Berg, and Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church are examples. They deviate from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith derived from the Bible and confirmed through ancient comprehensive, unifying doctrines.

Techniques of the cults are:
1. Repetitive instructions through streaming, books, magazines, and meetings. They hammer home the same basic information repeatedly. Example: Jesus is not God, and there is no Holy Spirit, no hell, no soul or spirit, etc.
2. All new members are told to break their relations with outside friends and to limit fellowship with non-members'.
3. They’re told not to read critical work outside of their publications, especially material from former members.
4. They threaten to shun if rules are broken
5. All ex-members are to be shunned.
6. They verbally attack and undermine the authority of outside institutions, such as religious, educational, medical, and governmental.
7. Their mindset is a coordinated superiority/ inferiority-guilt complex.

They will not stand for their authority to be challenged by any member. They set guidelines to prevent followers from circulating or possessing unauthorized literature. The following examples are from the Watchtower because of my familiarity with their literature.

In the May 1, 1984, Watchtower, under the heading “Questions from Readers” on page 31, the question was asked, “Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses decline to exchange their Bible study aids for the religious literature of people they meet?” Their answer,

“It would be foolhardy, as well as a waste of valuable time, for Jehovah’s Witnesses to accept and expose themselves to false religious literature that is designed to deceive. Hence, it is out of wisdom and respect for God’s counsel that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not make a practice of exchanging valuable Bible study aids containing Scriptural truth for religious literature that disseminates error or apostate views.” I call that, religious totalitarianism.

In their March 15, 1986, issue of the Watchtower featured a photo of a woman tossing mail into the trash before the postman left. The caption, page 12, “Why is reading apostate publications similar to reading pornographic literature?”

In a November 1, 1987, Watchtower, page 19 they “claim that some Witnesses have exposed themselves to possible spiritual contamination by tuning in to religious radio and television broadcasts.”

Your thoughts:
That is mostly true, yet your list of what JWs might do is warped. It is mean and misleading. I agree that reading other religions' literature is like viewing pornography, and I say, "I just don't care to read that stuff, knowing what it's going to say. I know the truth already, so why waste time pretending to go over what the tracts and booklets say?" So I politely demure to take the material being offered to me. And why would we want to look at the televangelists in all their money-grubbing spurious glory? They make me ill. Your words "religious totalitarianism" do not set forth the truth. We get the warning, yet it is on each one of us to make up our minds as to what other religions' literature has to offer us. It turns out to be nothing. Most of us have examined what other religions teach before we became Witnesses. We can honestly say that we know what their literature is going to say. Obviously, you can't say the same about our literature. You don't really know what we believe and why, as your rhetoric and long lists of what we supposedly do show that you do not really know, even though you say you've had long discussions with your relatives.
I quoted from your own Watchtower. Are you denying the Watchtower quotes? If you are, look them up for yourself.
No I'm not denying them. I indicated in my last post that I agreed with what they were saying.

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 12:33 pm
placebofactor wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:52 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:04 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:34 am 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11, “They received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe (the) lie:

What is the definition of a cult? A cult is a religious or semi-religious sect whose members are controlled almost entirely by a single individual or by an organization. They are manipulative, demanding total commitment and loyalty from their followers. Converts are usually cut off from all former associations, including their families. The Hare Krishnas, the Family of Love led by Moses David Berg, and Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church are examples. They deviate from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith derived from the Bible and confirmed through ancient comprehensive, unifying doctrines.

Techniques of the cults are:
1. Repetitive instructions through streaming, books, magazines, and meetings. They hammer home the same basic information repeatedly. Example: Jesus is not God, and there is no Holy Spirit, no hell, no soul or spirit, etc.
2. All new members are told to break their relations with outside friends and to limit fellowship with non-members'.
3. They’re told not to read critical work outside of their publications, especially material from former members.
4. They threaten to shun if rules are broken
5. All ex-members are to be shunned.
6. They verbally attack and undermine the authority of outside institutions, such as religious, educational, medical, and governmental.
7. Their mindset is a coordinated superiority/ inferiority-guilt complex.

They will not stand for their authority to be challenged by any member. They set guidelines to prevent followers from circulating or possessing unauthorized literature. The following examples are from the Watchtower because of my familiarity with their literature.

In the May 1, 1984, Watchtower, under the heading “Questions from Readers” on page 31, the question was asked, “Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses decline to exchange their Bible study aids for the religious literature of people they meet?” Their answer,

“It would be foolhardy, as well as a waste of valuable time, for Jehovah’s Witnesses to accept and expose themselves to false religious literature that is designed to deceive. Hence, it is out of wisdom and respect for God’s counsel that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not make a practice of exchanging valuable Bible study aids containing Scriptural truth for religious literature that disseminates error or apostate views.” I call that, religious totalitarianism.

In their March 15, 1986, issue of the Watchtower featured a photo of a woman tossing mail into the trash before the postman left. The caption, page 12, “Why is reading apostate publications similar to reading pornographic literature?”

In a November 1, 1987, Watchtower, page 19 they “claim that some Witnesses have exposed themselves to possible spiritual contamination by tuning in to religious radio and television broadcasts.”

Your thoughts:
That is mostly true, yet your list of what JWs might do is warped. It is mean and misleading. I agree that reading other religions' literature is like viewing pornography, and I say, "I just don't care to read that stuff, knowing what it's going to say. I know the truth already, so why waste time pretending to go over what the tracts and booklets say?" So I politely demure to take the material being offered to me. And why would we want to look at the televangelists in all their money-grubbing spurious glory? They make me ill. Your words "religious totalitarianism" do not set forth the truth. We get the warning, yet it is on each one of us to make up our minds as to what other religions' literature has to offer us. It turns out to be nothing. Most of us have examined what other religions teach before we became Witnesses. We can honestly say that we know what their literature is going to say. Obviously, you can't say the same about our literature. You don't really know what we believe and why, as your rhetoric and long lists of what we supposedly do show that you do not really know, even though you say you've had long discussions with your relatives.
I quoted from your own Watchtower. Are you denying the Watchtower quotes? If you are, look them up for yourself.
No I'm not denying them. I indicated in my last post that I agreed with what they were saying.
It appears to me that you consider, all T.V. preachers to be corrupt, they're not! Zola Levitt, Less Feldick, Dr. Sproul, John McArthur, and many others. I don't agree on certain small issues with each one, but their basics are correct.

I also believe there is one thing that certain people on this forum are overlooking. I can go around the country and speak to people from many denominations, Baptist, Catholics, Lutherans, Methodist, Independents, etc., people I have never met, yet we agree on the fundamentals. but the Jehovah's Witnesses doctrines are only agreeable to other Witnesses, and no one else. This tells me there is one Spirit, one teacher worldwide that teaches individuals who give serious thought to Bible studies, not an organization that has an agenda, and that is based on a foundation of sand or miry clay.

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placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:31 pmI also believe there is one thing that certain people on this forum are overlooking. I can go around the country and speak to people from many denominations, Baptist, Catholics, Lutherans, Methodist, Independents, etc., people I have never met, yet we agree on the fundamentals. but the Jehovah's Witnesses doctrines are only agreeable to other Witnesses, and no one else.
If you think that the many denominations agree on the fundamentals, then you might have to consider that your definition of "fundamental" is circular, in that it's just the list of things you agree on. Is inerrancy fundamental? Predestination? Intercession of the Saints? Papal infallibility? Sola scriptura? Unlimited atonement?

Based on things you've said, I'd bet that you doctrinally have more in common with a Witness than you do with a Methodist or Episcopalian, let alone a Catholic.
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placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:31 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 12:33 pm
placebofactor wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:52 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:04 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:34 am 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11, “They received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe (the) lie:

What is the definition of a cult? A cult is a religious or semi-religious sect whose members are controlled almost entirely by a single individual or by an organization. They are manipulative, demanding total commitment and loyalty from their followers. Converts are usually cut off from all former associations, including their families. The Hare Krishnas, the Family of Love led by Moses David Berg, and Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church are examples. They deviate from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith derived from the Bible and confirmed through ancient comprehensive, unifying doctrines.

Techniques of the cults are:
1. Repetitive instructions through streaming, books, magazines, and meetings. They hammer home the same basic information repeatedly. Example: Jesus is not God, and there is no Holy Spirit, no hell, no soul or spirit, etc.
2. All new members are told to break their relations with outside friends and to limit fellowship with non-members'.
3. They’re told not to read critical work outside of their publications, especially material from former members.
4. They threaten to shun if rules are broken
5. All ex-members are to be shunned.
6. They verbally attack and undermine the authority of outside institutions, such as religious, educational, medical, and governmental.
7. Their mindset is a coordinated superiority/ inferiority-guilt complex.

They will not stand for their authority to be challenged by any member. They set guidelines to prevent followers from circulating or possessing unauthorized literature. The following examples are from the Watchtower because of my familiarity with their literature.

In the May 1, 1984, Watchtower, under the heading “Questions from Readers” on page 31, the question was asked, “Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses decline to exchange their Bible study aids for the religious literature of people they meet?” Their answer,

“It would be foolhardy, as well as a waste of valuable time, for Jehovah’s Witnesses to accept and expose themselves to false religious literature that is designed to deceive. Hence, it is out of wisdom and respect for God’s counsel that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not make a practice of exchanging valuable Bible study aids containing Scriptural truth for religious literature that disseminates error or apostate views.” I call that, religious totalitarianism.

In their March 15, 1986, issue of the Watchtower featured a photo of a woman tossing mail into the trash before the postman left. The caption, page 12, “Why is reading apostate publications similar to reading pornographic literature?”

In a November 1, 1987, Watchtower, page 19 they “claim that some Witnesses have exposed themselves to possible spiritual contamination by tuning in to religious radio and television broadcasts.”

Your thoughts:
That is mostly true, yet your list of what JWs might do is warped. It is mean and misleading. I agree that reading other religions' literature is like viewing pornography, and I say, "I just don't care to read that stuff, knowing what it's going to say. I know the truth already, so why waste time pretending to go over what the tracts and booklets say?" So I politely demure to take the material being offered to me. And why would we want to look at the televangelists in all their money-grubbing spurious glory? They make me ill. Your words "religious totalitarianism" do not set forth the truth. We get the warning, yet it is on each one of us to make up our minds as to what other religions' literature has to offer us. It turns out to be nothing. Most of us have examined what other religions teach before we became Witnesses. We can honestly say that we know what their literature is going to say. Obviously, you can't say the same about our literature. You don't really know what we believe and why, as your rhetoric and long lists of what we supposedly do show that you do not really know, even though you say you've had long discussions with your relatives.
I quoted from your own Watchtower. Are you denying the Watchtower quotes? If you are, look them up for yourself.
No I'm not denying them. I indicated in my last post that I agreed with what they were saying.
It appears to me that you consider, all T.V. preachers to be corrupt, they're not! Zola Levitt, Less Feldick, Dr. Sproul, John McArthur, and many others. I don't agree on certain small issues with each one, but their basics are correct.

I also believe there is one thing that certain people on this forum are overlooking. I can go around the country and speak to people from many denominations, Baptist, Catholics, Lutherans, Methodist, Independents, etc., people I have never met, yet we agree on the fundamentals. but the Jehovah's Witnesses doctrines are only agreeable to other Witnesses, and no one else. This tells me there is one Spirit, one teacher worldwide that teaches individuals who give serious thought to Bible studies, not an organization that has an agenda, and that is based on a foundation of sand or miry clay.
You seem to dismiss what Jesus said at Matthew 7: 14, "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it." The majority seems to be wrong, in Jesus' view.

Christianity was considered to a small apostate religion back in Jesus' day, and everyone else clung to the idea that the Messiah had not come. The majority was wrong. The same today--a relatively small organization of Christ and his brothers is considered to be wrong because it is so different. Don't you think that the true religion would be different?

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 12:59 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:31 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 12:33 pm
placebofactor wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:52 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:04 pm
placebofactor wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:34 am 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11, “They received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe (the) lie:

What is the definition of a cult? A cult is a religious or semi-religious sect whose members are controlled almost entirely by a single individual or by an organization. They are manipulative, demanding total commitment and loyalty from their followers. Converts are usually cut off from all former associations, including their families. The Hare Krishnas, the Family of Love led by Moses David Berg, and Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church are examples. They deviate from the orthodox teachings of the historic Christian faith derived from the Bible and confirmed through ancient comprehensive, unifying doctrines.

Techniques of the cults are:
1. Repetitive instructions through streaming, books, magazines, and meetings. They hammer home the same basic information repeatedly. Example: Jesus is not God, and there is no Holy Spirit, no hell, no soul or spirit, etc.
2. All new members are told to break their relations with outside friends and to limit fellowship with non-members'.
3. They’re told not to read critical work outside of their publications, especially material from former members.
4. They threaten to shun if rules are broken
5. All ex-members are to be shunned.
6. They verbally attack and undermine the authority of outside institutions, such as religious, educational, medical, and governmental.
7. Their mindset is a coordinated superiority/ inferiority-guilt complex.

They will not stand for their authority to be challenged by any member. They set guidelines to prevent followers from circulating or possessing unauthorized literature. The following examples are from the Watchtower because of my familiarity with their literature.

In the May 1, 1984, Watchtower, under the heading “Questions from Readers” on page 31, the question was asked, “Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses decline to exchange their Bible study aids for the religious literature of people they meet?” Their answer,

“It would be foolhardy, as well as a waste of valuable time, for Jehovah’s Witnesses to accept and expose themselves to false religious literature that is designed to deceive. Hence, it is out of wisdom and respect for God’s counsel that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not make a practice of exchanging valuable Bible study aids containing Scriptural truth for religious literature that disseminates error or apostate views.” I call that, religious totalitarianism.

In their March 15, 1986, issue of the Watchtower featured a photo of a woman tossing mail into the trash before the postman left. The caption, page 12, “Why is reading apostate publications similar to reading pornographic literature?”

In a November 1, 1987, Watchtower, page 19 they “claim that some Witnesses have exposed themselves to possible spiritual contamination by tuning in to religious radio and television broadcasts.”

Your thoughts:
That is mostly true, yet your list of what JWs might do is warped. It is mean and misleading. I agree that reading other religions' literature is like viewing pornography, and I say, "I just don't care to read that stuff, knowing what it's going to say. I know the truth already, so why waste time pretending to go over what the tracts and booklets say?" So I politely demure to take the material being offered to me. And why would we want to look at the televangelists in all their money-grubbing spurious glory? They make me ill. Your words "religious totalitarianism" do not set forth the truth. We get the warning, yet it is on each one of us to make up our minds as to what other religions' literature has to offer us. It turns out to be nothing. Most of us have examined what other religions teach before we became Witnesses. We can honestly say that we know what their literature is going to say. Obviously, you can't say the same about our literature. You don't really know what we believe and why, as your rhetoric and long lists of what we supposedly do show that you do not really know, even though you say you've had long discussions with your relatives.
I quoted from your own Watchtower. Are you denying the Watchtower quotes? If you are, look them up for yourself.
No I'm not denying them. I indicated in my last post that I agreed with what they were saying.
It appears to me that you consider, all T.V. preachers to be corrupt, they're not! Zola Levitt, Less Feldick, Dr. Sproul, John McArthur, and many others. I don't agree on certain small issues with each one, but their basics are correct.

I also believe there is one thing that certain people on this forum are overlooking. I can go around the country and speak to people from many denominations, Baptist, Catholics, Lutherans, Methodist, Independents, etc., people I have never met, yet we agree on the fundamentals. but the Jehovah's Witnesses doctrines are only agreeable to other Witnesses, and no one else. This tells me there is one Spirit, one teacher worldwide that teaches individuals who give serious thought to Bible studies, not an organization that has an agenda, and that is based on a foundation of sand or miry clay.
You seem to dismiss what Jesus said at Matthew 7: 14, "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it." The majority seems to be wrong, in Jesus' view.

Christianity was considered to a small apostate religion back in Jesus' day, and everyone else clung to the idea that the Messiah had not come. The majority was wrong. The same today--a relatively small organization of Christ and his brothers is considered to be wrong because it is so different. Don't you think that the true religion would be different?
Okay, 7 billion people worldwide,

1 billion 500 million Muslims.

One billion Hindus.

One billion 500 million Catholics, probably 3/4 of them pray to the dead, Mary, Joseph, St. Christopher, etc., and they call the Pope their Father who claims to be the Vicar of Christ, he who sits in for Christ until he returns.

One billion 500 million Agnostics, atheists, and those who worship the creation and not the Creator.

One billion other religions.

Less than a billion who believe and practice the Christian faith. Those who receive Jesus Christ as their Lord, and Saviour, Redeemer, and Judge. They learn through the Holy Spirit, believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, etc.

Before the church came into existence, the Lord was speaking to the Jews, he said in,

Matthew 7:1, "Judge not, that you be not judged," Jesus was speaking to the Jews who were still under the law when he said, "Enter you in at the (narrow) gate: for wide in the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:" --- "Narrow is the way that leads unto life, and few there be that find it." BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS, WHICH COME TO YOU IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING, BUT INWARDLY THEY ARE RAVENOUS WOLVES."
Matthew 7:

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marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 pm Marke: The Bible is filled with metaphors, analogies, and symbolism. ...
... and when Jesus spoke of worms that never die, it is an example of a metaphor representing a permanent testimony to the utter destruction of the wicked.
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