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Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word with the Triune Godhead, Triune pointing to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The creation was not without witnesses, for there were three.
Acts 14:17, “He left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.”
From Genesis 1:2 and forward, we find the three-letter word, “God” singular. God meaning the Creator, the Almighty, omniscient, omnipresent, pure, and perfect being, who preserves and governs all things. The self-existent, unoriginated, independent, and eternal Jehovah, who has produced all things. Revelation 1:8, Jesus said, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, --- which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” He is the pure and perfect Spirit, he is known and clearly distinguished by the vast and stupendous works which he has made.
In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. Throughout chapter 1, He is called, “God,” but now in Genesis 2, He is called the “LORD God.” And who is this, LORD God? He is Jehovah, the Son of the Father in heaven, better known to us as Jesus. These titles serve a purpose; the LORD God knew there would one day be a plan implemented for our redemption. He saw the foolishness of the people, well before His coming in the flesh. He would not only need a plan of redemption but also someone who could communicate directly with men. So, what did the LORD do? He came down from His throne in heaven to dwell among men. 1 Timothy 3:16, K.J.B. “God (Jehovah) was manifest (appeared or showed himself openly) in the flesh.”
Philippians 2:7, He Jesus “made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant; and was made in the likeness of men.” Matthew 1:23, “And they (the Jews) shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is God with us.” Also, John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In verse 14, "And the Word was made flesh..." Jesus put into action His plan of redemption.
In Genesis 12, about the year 1900 B.C. Jehovah is seen intrinsically as the God of Abraham. He will deal specifically with the nation of Israel and its people. So, when the Bible reads, “The God of Abraham,” and “The God of Isaac,” it’s referring to Jehovah! LORD and Jehovah are always synonymous. Throughout Scripture, we find that Jehovah is the God of all. Abraham was born a gentile, and in Genesis 14:18, Abraham addresses God as the Most-high God. So, whenever you see the Hebrew term “The Most-high God,” it's making a point that God is, “The God of all.”
Moving forward in Genesis, we find Jehovah becomes everything the nation of Israel could ever hope for in their spiritual and physical needs.
Genesis 22:14: takes place about the year 1850 B.C. As time passes, we find Abraham is well acquainted with Jehovah; but now, Jehovah has an added title behind it, Jehovah-Jireh. No one knew this name until then, it means, “the LORD will provide.” The LORD provided the sacrifice when He spared Isaac, Abraham’s son. God held back Abraham's hand and kept him from sacrificing his son Isaac. Question, what did Abraham see in the thicket when he turned around? … a ram caught by the horns in a thicket! So, Abraham called Him, Jehovah-Jireh because Jehovah provided the sacrifice.
About the year 1320 B.C., Israel came out of Egypt under Moses, the first thing God promised them (Israel) was, if they were obedient, He would be their healing. So, he is called Jehovah-ropheka, meaning, “He who would be their Healer.” Jehovah would be their spiritual Healer, as well as their physical healer. When the Jews were in Egypt, He said, "None of these diseases that were in Egypt will come upon you."
In the year, 1320 B.C., we read the name Jehovah-Nissi in Exodus 15:17. Israel had come up against their first opposition - the Amalekites. Having left Egypt, they were on their way to Sinai and were fighting the Amalekites. As long as Moses held his arms up, the battle went for Israel. As soon as they came down, the battle went against Israel. Who came to help Moses? Aaron and Hur held up Moses' arms until the battle was won. When the fight was over, they declared that God was their Jehovah-Nissi. He was, “Their Banner,” and as long as the banner was lifted to heaven, the Jewish fighters pressed on.
Around the year 1160 B.C., we come to another title for God, Jehovah-Shalom, which in Hebrew means “peace.” It was Gideon who first received this name for God. Israel had come to a point of decline. The Jews were going after false gods - and the Midianites from the east were overrunning their crops and taking their children captive. It was then, that Israel began to cry to Jehovah for help, so the LORD raised up Gideon. He told Gideon, that the only way to achieve peace was to return to Jehovah and defeat the Midianites with His help; then, they could have “Shalom,” meaning “peace.”
Now we come to, Jehovah-tsidkenu – “He is our Righteousness.” The Jews had nothing without Him, so He would one day be all the righteousness Israel would ever need in Jesus Christ.
About 1000 B.C. in Psalms 23, we read the word “roi,” in the Hebrew it means “Shepherd.” "The Lord is my Shepherd." So, in the Hebrew, “Shepard,” is Jehovah-roi; “I am your Shepherd.” Again, this was an inherent need for the Nation of Israel. Jesus said, John 10:14, “I am the good shepherd,”
The seventh title for Jehovah God is found in Jeremiah 23, it’s, “Jehovah-shammah,” Jeremiah was written between 627 and 586 B.C. This name means, “The LORD is there.” This name refers to the setting up of His kingdom, He will be present, as Revelation 19, “KING of KINGS, and LORD of LORDS.”
The LORD does everything in sevens; therefore, the seven explicit needs of Israel have been met by the seven-fold operation of Jehovah's names.
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Post #11Why don't you believe what Jesus says?
I don't think so. The people had not heard "His voice". That does not mean Jesus didn't speak what God commanded him to speak.
And the Father, He sending Me, has Himself borne witness concerning Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor have you seen His form.
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Post #12Do you agree of what Jesus said in John 5:37?1213 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:50 amWhy don't you believe what Jesus says?
I don't think so. The people had not heard "His voice". That does not mean Jesus didn't speak what God commanded him to speak.
And the Father, He sending Me, has Himself borne witness concerning Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor have you seen His form.
John 5:37
That no one had heard the voice of the Father at anytime (ever) except only when the Father borne witness of Jesus when baptized?
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Post #13It doesn't say "no one has heard", it says "You have neither heard His voice at any time". I believe it is true in the case of the people Jesus means with it.
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Re: Progressive Revelation
Post #14In Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
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Re: Progressive Revelation
Post #15Yes, I mean any time.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 5:31 amIt doesn't say "no one has heard", it says "You have neither heard His voice at any time". I believe it is true in the case of the people Jesus means with it.
And Bible lexicon defined "anytime" in Greek "popote" as ever.
That would be not one ever heard His voice except when the Father borne witness to Jesus' baptism.
Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself who sent me has given witness about me. Not one of you has ever given ear to his voice; his form you have not seen. (BBE)
πώποτε pōpote
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1) ever, at any time
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Post #16There is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And Jesus had said that all that the Father has is mine. If the Father is God, that would also mean Jesus is in the state of being God.
Bible word "has" in Greek "echo" means as to have, to hold, own, posses etc.
If you don't refer to Bible lexicons to Bible word meaning, you will be misguided.
Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
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Post #17But, the "you" part means the specific people, not all possible people.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:11 pmYes, I mean any time.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 5:31 amIt doesn't say "no one has heard", it says "You have neither heard His voice at any time". I believe it is true in the case of the people Jesus means with it.
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Post #18Bible lexicon defined "ye have neither" in Greek "oute" means neither and not, it may address to all even you, us.1213 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 12:56 amBut, the "you" part means the specific people, not all possible people.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:11 pmYes, I mean any time.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 5:31 amIt doesn't say "no one has heard", it says "You have neither heard His voice at any time". I believe it is true in the case of the people Jesus means with it.
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Father G3962 hath sent G649 me. G3165
Jhn 5:37 And G2532 the G3588 Father G3962 himself, G846 which hath sent G3992 me, G3165 hath borne witness G3140 of G4012 me. G1700 Ye have neither G3777 heard G191 his G846 voice G5456 at any time, G4455 nor G3777 seen G3708 his G846 shape. G1491
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Post #19Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Yes, there is a difference, you haven't looked hard enough!
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Post #20placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 11:31 amI mean their definition from Bible lexicons are the same on that text.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 pmThere is no difference between Godhead and Deity, the Greek of both still is in Greek "theotes" which means being in the state of being God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:54 pmIn Jesus is the fullness of godship bodily. He is not God but has attributes of God, making him full of God's qualities. Thayer is not to be accepted as the be all and end all. Many versions of the Bible eschew the term "Godhead" and render that phrase as "For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." It certainly doesn't mean that Jesus is God. Look at Colossians 3:1b: "Keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." (NASB) Would Jesus be sitting at his own right hand?Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:25 pmIn response to your statement I colored blue above.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:26 amThe word Elohim can mean also just one God. And because Jesus tells there is only one true God, who is greater than him, I think it would be wrong to say there are more true Gods than one.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am The article is long, but I believe you will enjoy it. No questions, but I am sure there will be many comments, for and against.
Before the creation the first name we find in the Bible concerning God is, Elohim, “In the beginning God (Elohim)---.”
In Genesis 1, we equated the Hebrew Elohim a plural word
To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh he is God; there is none else besides him.
Deut. 4:35
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one: you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
Mark 12:29-30
How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 5:44
This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
I think it is good to notice that in Genesis 2:4 the word "Lord" is actually Jehovah, or Yahweh.placebofactor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:53 am In Genesis 2:4 we come to another name for Deity. It's no longer “God” alone, but now, the “LORD God.” Note the title “LORD” is all in uppercase. ...
Jesus and the Father are one in the state of God. (Col 2:9)
Just like you and your son if you have, are one in the state of human.
Bible Lexicon defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" as the state of being God.
θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Yes, there is a difference, you haven't looked hard enough!