With God, nothing is impossible.

[placebofactor]

Moses wrote 3500 years ago and the writers of the New Testament 2000 years ago. Yet science appears only now to be catching up with God’s word. Following is proof that Jesus is God, the Son of God, and Son of man, and that he is without beginning.

The mother provides her unborn developing infant with the nutritive elements for building its physical body in her womb, but all the blood that forms in the unborn child is formed in the embryo itself and only as a result of the father’s contribution; therefore, not one drop of blood ever passes from the mother to the child.

And so goes the miracle of the conception of the virgin birth. Luke 1:30-35, the angel came to Mary and said --- “Behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Jesus.” --- “The Holy Ghost shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that Holy One (Jesus) which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God.”

This was a male sperm inserted into the womb of a virgin. Was this seed taken directly from the Father or the Son? Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. Now, because Mary conceived by supernatural insemination of the Holy Spirit, and the seed was that of God, the child born of this seed was born without spot or blemish, and without a sinful nature.

So, Jesus was of Adam's race according to the flesh, but he did not inherit Adam's nature. Mary's geology is traced back to Adam, Luke 3:38.

This provides us with the evidence, that sin is NOT transmitted through the flesh but through the blood. And though Jesus was of the "seed of David” and of the "seed of Adam" through Mary according to the flesh" He was, 1 Timothy 3:16, “God manifest in the flesh, and as Matthew 1:23 states, “God with us.” That newborn child was born perfectly human in the flesh, and yet perfectly God. And because the seed was that of God, our faith, and his precious blood gave us victory over death and hell.

Romans 5:9, "Justified by His blood we shall be saved from wrath, through Him." The phrase, to be "saved from wrath, through Him"

[Bible_Student]

Then you should also be able to accept the fact that it means first in rank of creation, which means in all of creation, Christ is first in rank.

That interpretation is a forced one. Instead, saying "the firstborn of all creation" clearly indicates that it is someone who is part of creation. There is no phrase "firstborn of ..." in the Bible that indicates that what is referred to is not part of the whole of which it is firstborn.

Not only is it literally the Greek word that Paul used, but it makes sense within context of the following verses, which states that Christ is the CREATOR of all things.

That is false. The context shows just the opposite of what you are saying:

Col. 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19 because God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all other things by making peace through the blood he shed on the torture stake, whether the things on the earth or the things in the heavens.

Obviously, the creator of all things would be first in rank (preeminent) over all creation, since all creation owes its existence to him.
Reading comprehension.

That makes no sense, just as the Creator is not named "heir" because he is the natural Owner of what he created.

[SiNcE_1985]

Col. 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead

First of all, you've lost credibility by coming at me with the deceptive, corruptive New World Translation (NWT) of the Scriptures....aka, The Jehovah's Witness Bible.

"16 because by means of him all other things were created"

What is the word "other" doing in there, along with verses 17 and 18?

The word is not in any of the other English translations (and properly so, since it isn't in the Greek interlinear).

In early editions of the NWT, the word "other" was placed in brackets, at least letting readers know that something is going on with it.

But in the latest editions of the NWT, the word isn't even in brackets (as you've just demonstrated)...so that even members of the organization may not know that the word isn't supposed to be there.

That word changes the entire meaning of the text, to fit JW false, heretic theology.

Shame on them.

[Bible_Student]

It's normal that you don't understand it, because you imagine a context that doesn't exist, while in the context it says that Jesus is "firstborn of all creation" it is evident that he is part of creation, so by logic everything else is "the other" that was created after the first created.

This is not the only place in the Bible where "the other/s" has to be added to "all"; For example in Luke 11:42.

If your defense or refutation is based on personal attacks... shame is on you.

[Capbook]

It's normal that you don't understand it, because you imagine a context that doesn't exist, while in the context it says that Jesus is "firstborn of all creation" it is evident that he is part of creation, so by logic everything else is "the other" that was created after the first created.

This is not the only place in the Bible where "the other/s" has to be added to "all"; For example in Luke 11:42.

If your defense or refutation is based on personal attacks... shame is on you.

As the phrase, "firstborn of all creation" does it mean He was created first?
How about "firstborn from the dead" does it mean Jesus was the first one being resurrected?(Col 1:18)
And what do you understand of the " For by Him were ALL things created". Jesus created Himself?(Col 1:16)


Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

[Bible_Student]

It's normal that you don't understand it, because you imagine a context that doesn't exist, while in the context it says that Jesus is "firstborn of all creation" it is evident that he is part of creation, so by logic everything else is "the other" that was created after the first created.

This is not the only place in the Bible where "the other/s" has to be added to "all"; For example in .

If your defense or refutation is based on personal attacks... shame is on you.

As the phrase, "firstborn of all creation" does it mean He was created first?
How about "firstborn from the dead" does it mean Jesus was the first one being resurrected?()
And what do you understand of the " For by Him were ALL things created". Jesus created Himself?()


For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Consider these three words applied to Jesus all around the Christian Scriptures:

1) Son
2) First-born
3) Only-begotten

These terms used to depict him unmistakably indicate a beginning, a point in time when Jesus came into existence, his origin. A son of God with no origin exists only in the minds of those who attempt to equate him with his Father and God.

[Capbook]

It's normal that you don't understand it, because you imagine a context that doesn't exist, while in the context it says that Jesus is "firstborn of all creation" it is evident that he is part of creation, so by logic everything else is "the other" that was created after the first created.

This is not the only place in the Bible where "the other/s" has to be added to "all"; For example in .

If your defense or refutation is based on personal attacks... shame is on you.

As the phrase, "firstborn of all creation" does it mean He was created first?
How about "firstborn from the dead" does it mean Jesus was the first one being resurrected?()
And what do you understand of the " For by Him were ALL things created". Jesus created Himself?()


For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Consider these three words applied to Jesus all around the Christian Scriptures:

1) Son
2) First-born
3) Only-begotten

These terms used to depict him unmistakably indicate a beginning, a point in time when Jesus came into existence, his origin. A son of God with no origin exists only in the minds of those who attempt to equate him with his Father and God.

You did not answer my question, " do firstborn of all creation" means to you as first being created?

[Bible_Student]

..." do firstborn of all creation" means to you as first being created?

Yes.

In the Bible, Jesus is described as God's heir. So he is named as the one who will receive an inheritance from God. There are even human beings who are considered brothers of Jesus in his image, and they are called "joint heirs" with Jesus. There are passages in the Bible that say that all of them, including Jesus as the Chief among all, come from the same source of life: the Father, God.

Only someone who comes into existence and is part of an arrangement after the Owner of the things that will be passed on to the heirs is named an heir. So it is evident that if Jesus is named as an heir, he must have come into existence after the Creator, of whom he is the Son. That is why Jesus considers other sons of God to be his brothers.

[Capbook]

..." do firstborn of all creation" means to you as first being created?

Yes.

In the Bible, Jesus is described as God's heir. So he is named as the one who will receive an inheritance from God. There are even human beings who are considered brothers of Jesus in his image, and they are called "joint heirs" with Jesus. There are passages in the Bible that say that all of them, including Jesus as the Chief among all, come from the same source of life: the Father, God.

Only someone who comes into existence and is part of an arrangement after the Owner of the things that will be passed on to the heirs is named an heir. So it is evident that if Jesus is named as an heir, he must have come into existence after the Creator, of whom he is the Son. That is why Jesus considers other sons of God to be his brothers.

And "firstborn from the dead" does it mean to you Jesus is the first one being resurrected?
Same interpretation of Col 1:15?

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

[Bible_Student]

And "firstborn from the dead" does it mean to you Jesus is the first one being resurrected?
Same interpretation of ?

Yes, the first one to be resurrected to eternal and immortal life (Acts 26:23).

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

The context in Col. 1 says:

17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things

When it says "to be the one who is first" (Greek verb πρωτεύω) ... it means "to be first in order", the first one in a line, the beginning of a list, the first member of a set, being the head of a body of which it's part of.

[Capbook]

And "firstborn from the dead" does it mean to you Jesus is the first one being resurrected?
Same interpretation of ?

Yes, the first one to be resurrected to eternal and immortal life (Acts 26:23).

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

The context in Col. 1 says:

17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things

When it says "to be the one who is first" (Greek verb πρωτεύω) ... it means "to be first in order", the first one in a line, the beginning of a list, the first member of a set, being the head of a body of which it's part of.

As the "firstborn from the dead" the first that rose from the dead by his own power.
And to an immortal life; for, though others were raised before him, and by him, yet not to a state of immortality; the path of life, to an immortal life, was first shown to him as man; and who also is the firstfruits of them that sleep, and so the pledge and earnest of the future resurrection of the saints; and is both the efficient and exemplary cause of it; the resurrection of the dead will be by him as God.